Talk:Callandra Tyrol/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: fixing bad link to BW:SAC

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fixing bad link to BW:SAC

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	I requested that this article should be moved back to [[Cally Henderson]].		I requested that this article should be moved back to [[Cally Henderson]].
	*It is proper to note (verified) full forms of names in articles, but the article should be under that character's most common name. (And there is nothing in [[/BW:SAC#Characters_Names_and_Titles\|SAC]] that requires the recent move so it shouldn't be called "conventionalising".		*It is proper to note (verified) full forms of names in articles, but the article should be under that character's most common name. (And there is nothing in [[BW:SAC#Characters_Names_and_Titles\|SAC]] that requires the recent move so it shouldn't be called "conventionalising".
	*The character is almost universally referred to as Cally, while Callandra (or whatever the long form is) appears only once or twice.		*The character is almost universally referred to as Cally, while Callandra (or whatever the long form is) appears only once or twice.
	*As for the surname:		*As for the surname:

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:39:27Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

JubalHarshaw: /* Move request */ - tempest in a teacup

2009-04-02T13:33:53Z

Move request: - tempest in a teacup

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	::::::However, in the case of Cally, I now think that Tyrol is better since ''Henderson'' is also hardly used. However, given the first name's occurence and the variety of long forms, I do insist on the name form ''Cally''.		::::::However, in the case of Cally, I now think that Tyrol is better since ''Henderson'' is also hardly used. However, given the first name's occurence and the variety of long forms, I do insist on the name form ''Cally''.
	::::::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::::::::::This and [[Talk:Leland Adama]] seem to be a bit of a tempest in a teacup to me. If you type "Cally" into the search box, you get to the right place. Ditto for "Lee Adama". I think the articles should use the full given name if it's revealed in the series. Should we move [[William Adama]] to Bill Adama? After all, he's hardly ever called William. I think not. The beauty of redirects is in that we can redirect any permutation of the name. Going through the hassle of moving these articles, correcting links, etc., is probably not the best use of our time with a huge influx of new users, multiple episode summaries that need concision/cleanup. Your mileage may vary. [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 13:33, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Str1977: /* Move request */

2009-04-02T10:02:13Z

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	:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::::Lt. Dualla is often referred to as simply "D." While this nickname is based on her surname, it is just as informal as calling Specialist Henderson by a nickname based on her first name. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 10:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Str1977: /* Move request */

2009-04-02T09:41:08Z

Move request

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	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::But, Steelviper, you are not a fictional character. And if you became famous and were known as Matt Whatever, your encyclopedia article would accordingly be under Matt Whatever and not Mathew Whatshisname. These characters above are almost exclusively known as Cally or Lee. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::But, Steelviper, you are not a fictional character. And if you became famous and were known as Matt Whatever, your encyclopedia article would accordingly be under Matt Whatever and not Mathew Whatshisname. These characters above are almost exclusively known as Cally or Lee.
			::::::The policies cited (which I have however not found on the linked article) are seriously questionable when they give precedence to later name changes and inconsistent when they insist on full names (even if these names are never used) but leave out middle names.
			::::::However, in the case of Cally, I now think that Tyrol is better since ''Henderson'' is also hardly used. However, given the first name's occurence and the variety of long forms, I do insist on the name form ''Cally''.
			::::::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Str1977: /* Move request */

2009-04-02T09:36:42Z

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	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::::But, Steelviper, you are not a fictional character. And if you became famous and were known as Matt Whatever, your encyclopedia article would accordingly be under Matt Whatever and not Mathew Whatshisname. These characters above are almost exclusively known as Cally or Lee. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Steelviper: /* Move request */ violent agreement

2009-04-02T01:51:43Z

Move request: violent agreement

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	::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

April Arcus: /* Move request */

2009-04-01T16:45:13Z

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	:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Steelviper: /* Move request */ apodo vs apellido

2009-04-01T12:21:21Z

Move request: apodo vs apellido

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	:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Steelviper: /* Move request */

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	::::'''Adama:''' So any word on Chief and Cally?		::::'''Adama:''' So any word on Chief and Cally?
	:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::::Lt. Dualla is often referred to as simply "D." While this nickname is based on her surname, it is just as informal as calling Specialist Henderson by a nickname based on her first name. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 10:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::::But, Steelviper, you are not a fictional character. And if you became famous and were known as Matt Whatever, your encyclopedia article would accordingly be under Matt Whatever and not Mathew Whatshisname. These characters above are almost exclusively known as Cally or Lee. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:36, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

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	::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::I agree. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

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	==First Name==		==First Name==

	According to the novelization of the miniseries, her first name is "Jane". --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)		According to the novelization of the miniseries, her first name is "Jane". --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)
	:I noticed this myself, but I didn't put it up because I don't know if that is canonical. I mean according to the novelization she was also in a relationship with Prosna; I think a lot of this is just "made up" by the writer and not associated with RDM in any shape or form. I need to get around to making a full write-up of the novelization. Updates as I get them. 5x5. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 20:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)		:I noticed this myself, but I didn't put it up because I don't know if that is canonical. I mean according to the novelization she was also in a relationship with Prosna; I think a lot of this is just "made up" by the writer and not associated with RDM in any shape or form. I need to get around to making a full write-up of the novelization. Updates as I get them. 5x5. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 20:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)

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	Since Cally's now Tryol's wife, should we concider giving her his last name in the article, or just wait and see until its confirmed on screen or in dialouge? -- [[User:Kahran\|Kahran]] 01:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)		Since Cally's now Tryol's wife, should we concider giving her his last name in the article, or just wait and see until its confirmed on screen or in dialouge? -- [[User:Kahran\|Kahran]] 01:41, 12 March 2006 (CST)
	:In the novelization, Cally is her surname. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:58, 12 March 2006 (CST)		:In the novelization, Cally is her surname. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:58, 12 March 2006 (CST)
	::Oh, now ''that'''s interesting. -- [[User:Kahran\|Kahran]] 04:22, 12 March 2006 (CST)		::Oh, now ''that'''s interesting. -- [[User:Kahran\|Kahran]] 04:22, 12 March 2006 (CST)
	:We also don't know for sure that Tyrol and Cally are married (or even that Tyrol is the father of her child). --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 08:35, 12 March 2006 (CST)		:We also don't know for sure that Tyrol and Cally are married (or even that Tyrol is the father of her child). --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 08:35, 12 March 2006 (CST)
	::Given that they were building up the Cally/Tyrol relationship in Act 1, I think it's obviously implied to be his. As for "married", well he's a really religious man (a Gemenon, son of a priest, etc.) I mean, if he is having a baby with Cally, you think they ''wouldn't'' be married but our lovable morons Anders and Starbuck ''are''?--~		::Given that they were building up the Cally/Tyrol relationship in Act 1, I think it's obviously implied to be his. As for "married", well he's a really religious man (a Gemenon, son of a priest, etc.) I mean, if he is having a baby with Cally, you think they ''wouldn't'' be married but our lovable morons Anders and Starbuck ''are''?--~
	:::The implication is strong, but it's not crystal clear enough to note here without a hedge. I'm pretty sure we'll get a real confirmation in October. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 13:19, 12 March 2006 (CST)		:::The implication is strong, but it's not crystal clear enough to note here without a hedge. I'm pretty sure we'll get a real confirmation in October. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 13:19, 12 March 2006 (CST)
	::::I agree with the implication of them being married. However, that doesn't mean Cally will be taking Galen Tyrol's last name unless they say so. There are a lot of married couples nowadays that don't follow the "Western" tradition of the wife taking the husband's last name. You can't assume that the colonials all follow the same tradition. Will Starbuck be called Kara Anders? Probably for the continuouty of the show, probably not. -- [[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 09:41, 15 March 2006 (MST)		::::I agree with the implication of them being married. However, that doesn't mean Cally will be taking Galen Tyrol's last name unless they say so. There are a lot of married couples nowadays that don't follow the "Western" tradition of the wife taking the husband's last name. You can't assume that the colonials all follow the same tradition. Will Starbuck be called Kara Anders? Probably for the continuouty of the show, probably not. -- [[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 09:41, 15 March 2006 (MST)

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	The article now fits with our standards and conventions. Like the name popularity of Helo, I won't be put off if the convention is occasionally violated in the article, 'cause Cally is just so gosh-dern cute. As season 3 goes along, contributions should use "Tyrol" and not "Henderson" or "Henderson Tyrol." --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 17:19, 16 September 2006 (CDT)		The article now fits with our standards and conventions. Like the name popularity of Helo, I won't be put off if the convention is occasionally violated in the article, 'cause Cally is just so gosh-dern cute. As season 3 goes along, contributions should use "Tyrol" and not "Henderson" or "Henderson Tyrol." --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 17:19, 16 September 2006 (CDT)
	:Do we have confirmation that Cally ever took Galen's surname? If not, shouldn't [[Anastasia Dualla]] be moved to [[Anastasia Dualla Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] to [[Kara Thrace Anders]] under the same rationalle? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		:Do we have confirmation that Cally ever took Galen's surname? If not, shouldn't [[Anastasia Dualla]] be moved to [[Anastasia Dualla Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] to [[Kara Thrace Anders]] under the same rationalle? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
	::That's an interesting question. I've been generally following the [[BW:OC]] on this, but others might have been getting ahead on this. Cally's sourcing is confirmed (see [[Sources:Cally Henderson Tyrol]]), although I don't expect to see any credits changed in the shows. The two other marriages are best left alone and, better, asked of in BW:OC, as I am not aware of any sources related to their name changes. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 08:20, 5 October 2006 (CDT)		::That's an interesting question. I've been generally following the [[BW:OC]] on this, but others might have been getting ahead on this. Cally's sourcing is confirmed (see [[Sources:Cally Henderson Tyrol]]), although I don't expect to see any credits changed in the shows. The two other marriages are best left alone and, better, asked of in BW:OC, as I am not aware of any sources related to their name changes. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 08:20, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
	:Using "Henderson" instead of Cally is confusing. The only name used on the show is "Cally," after all...--[[User:Space Travel\|Space Travel]] 15:03, 14 February 2007 (CST)		:Using "Henderson" instead of Cally is confusing. The only name used on the show is "Cally," after all...--[[User:Space Travel\|Space Travel]] 15:03, 14 February 2007 (CST)
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	===Move===		===Move===
	I'd like to move this article to [[Cally Tyrol]]. We have no confirmation that Cally kept "Henderson" as a middle name. Also, we've generally avoided middle names and initials in the past, and I think we should continue to do so. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:01, 8 October 2006 (CDT)		I'd like to move this article to [[Cally Tyrol]]. We have no confirmation that Cally kept "Henderson" as a middle name. Also, we've generally avoided middle names and initials in the past, and I think we should continue to do so. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:01, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

	:I tend to agree. Simplifies links, too. We can keep the full name as a redirect, naturally. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 18:53, 8 October 2006 (CDT)		:I tend to agree. Simplifies links, too. We can keep the full name as a redirect, naturally. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 18:53, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
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	==Rank==		==Rank==

	We need sourcing on her rank as PO2. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 14:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)		We need sourcing on her rank as PO2. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 14:07, 14 December 2006 (CST)
	:[[:Image:Season 3 - Promo - Unfinished Business - Cally.jpg\|"Unfinished Business"]] shows PO2 (those darn little lines aren't the easiest to see, but it looks like they are there). I'm not sure whether that rank still applies though... is she still active duty after the baby? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:21, 14 December 2006 (CST)		:[[:Image:Season 3 - Promo - Unfinished Business - Cally.jpg\|"Unfinished Business"]] shows PO2 (those darn little lines aren't the easiest to see, but it looks like they are there). I'm not sure whether that rank still applies though... is she still active duty after the baby? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:21, 14 December 2006 (CST)
	::Without a shadow of a doubt PO2. In the highres version it's very obvious. Though it's a good idea to confirm it in other episodes too, since there are sometimes one-episode errors with the rankpins and PO2 and Specialist are very similar.		::Without a shadow of a doubt PO2. In the highres version it's very obvious. Though it's a good idea to confirm it in other episodes too, since there are sometimes one-episode errors with the rankpins and PO2 and Specialist are very similar.
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	::::'''Adama:''' Chief, Cally, Raptor's in position.		::::'''Adama:''' Chief, Cally, Raptor's in position.
	::::'''Adama:''' So any word on Chief and Cally?		::::'''Adama:''' So any word on Chief and Cally?
	:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::So this establishes that her commanders and coworkers are just shockingly informal with her, and that she doesn't seem to mind - in contrast with practically every other major character. It's a weird little character quirk that doesn't line up at all with how gender was usually dealt with on the show; but maybe it matches Cally's character in a way - she was by far the most passive and stereotypically feminine woman in the cast. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 03:44, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::I'd argue that Tyrol is less being referred to by rank, and more by his role/responsibility, much the same way as "Doc" or even the Admiral. Sometimes a person so embodies their role that it becomes their name less than their rank. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::That's plausible, but can you think of any other military character on the show who is referred to regularly by their first name in the field? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::Oh, no. I'm with you on that. I was just stuck on the Chief/Tyrol tangent (that his name, both formal and informal, had become Chief). Cally was definitely unique in that regard, though that may be in part to how she began as a single-named character. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::Lt. Dualla is often referred to as simply "D." While this nickname is based on her surname, it is just as informal as calling Specialist Henderson by a nickname based on her first name. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 10:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::::Lt. Dualla is often referred to as simply "D." While this nickname is based on her surname, it is just as informal as calling Specialist Henderson by a nickname based on her first name. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 10:02, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

	::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		::::As for Callandra vs Cally in the article name: My given name is Matthew. However, here and elsewhere I am almost exclusively referred to as Matt, or even Steelviper. However, if you were going to create an encyclopedia article about me, you'd use my given name for the entry. That's generally how encyclopedias work. In part, it eliminates a guessing game (do you look me up by "Matt" or by "Steelviper"), a game that is rendered moot by the existence of redirects (as noted by Joe above). Also, it's a lot easier to be consistent in applying given names rather than having to try to count up the number of instances a given nickname has been used to determine which one "wins". --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I agree. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I agree. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::But, Steelviper, you are not a fictional character. And if you became famous and were known as Matt Whatever, your encyclopedia article would accordingly be under Matt Whatever and not Mathew Whatshisname. These characters above are almost exclusively known as Cally or Lee.		::::::But, Steelviper, you are not a fictional character. And if you became famous and were known as Matt Whatever, your encyclopedia article would accordingly be under Matt Whatever and not Mathew Whatshisname. These characters above are almost exclusively known as Cally or Lee.
	::::::The policies cited (which I have however not found on the linked article) are seriously questionable when they give precedence to later name changes and inconsistent when they insist on full names (even if these names are never used) but leave out middle names.		::::::The policies cited (which I have however not found on the linked article) are seriously questionable when they give precedence to later name changes and inconsistent when they insist on full names (even if these names are never used) but leave out middle names.