Talk:Battlestar Galactica: The Final Five 1/Archive 1 - Revision history

Noneofyourbusiness at 14:04, 17 August 2009

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	::::: Perhaps the best term would be "semi-canon" or "canon except where it contradicts anything more official", like aired episodes or even the unfilmed Ellen speech from "[[No Exit]]" which implies the Thirteenth Tribe evolved from Centurions, not humans. The comics were almost certainly written between "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]" and "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]". Best to keep the "separate continuity" label, then.		::::: Perhaps the best term would be "semi-canon" or "canon except where it contradicts anything more official", like aired episodes or even the unfilmed Ellen speech from "[[No Exit]]" which implies the Thirteenth Tribe evolved from Centurions, not humans. The comics were almost certainly written between "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]" and "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]". Best to keep the "separate continuity" label, then.
	::::: I must say, I really like the picture of the ~~five~~ on a platform before an army of Colonial Centurions. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)		::::: I must say, I really like the picture of the Five on a platform before an army of Colonial Centurions. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness at 14:04, 17 August 2009

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	:::: Right, which kind of throws a wrench at the comic after all, because all five were needed to rebuild the resurrection technology. Hence the whole data font thing in "Daybreak, Part II," where Galen finds out that Tory killed Cally and all that unpleasantness reared its hideous head again. ;-)-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)		:::: Right, which kind of throws a wrench at the comic after all, because all five were needed to rebuild the resurrection technology. Hence the whole data font thing in "Daybreak, Part II," where Galen finds out that Tory killed Cally and all that unpleasantness reared its hideous head again. ;-)-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

	::::: Perhaps the best term would be "semi-canon" or "canon except where it contradicts anything more official", like aired episodes or even the unfilmed Ellen speech from "[[No Exit]]" which implies the Thirteenth Tribe evolved from Centurions, not humans. Best to keep the "separate continuity" label, then. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)		::::: Perhaps the best term would be "semi-canon" or "canon except where it contradicts anything more official", like aired episodes or even the unfilmed Ellen speech from "[[No Exit]]" which implies the Thirteenth Tribe evolved from Centurions, not humans. The comics were almost certainly written between "[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]" and "[[A Disquiet Follows My Soul]]". Best to keep the "separate continuity" label, then.
			::::: I must say, I really like the picture of the five on a platform before an army of Colonial Centurions. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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	:::: Right, which kind of throws a wrench at the comic after all, because all five were needed to rebuild the resurrection technology. Hence the whole data font thing in "Daybreak, Part II," where Galen finds out that Tory killed Cally and all that unpleasantness reared its hideous head again. ;-)-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)		:::: Right, which kind of throws a wrench at the comic after all, because all five were needed to rebuild the resurrection technology. Hence the whole data font thing in "Daybreak, Part II," where Galen finds out that Tory killed Cally and all that unpleasantness reared its hideous head again. ;-)-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

			::::: Perhaps the best term would be "semi-canon" or "canon except where it contradicts anything more official", like aired episodes or even the unfilmed Ellen speech from "[[No Exit]]" which implies the Thirteenth Tribe evolved from Centurions, not humans. Best to keep the "separate continuity" label, then. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Canonicy reinforcement? */ reply

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Canonicy reinforcement?: reply

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	::: The episode you mean in the section above is "[[No Exit]]", rather than "[[Deadlock]]". "[[No Exit]]" is explicit about all five of them working at the same research facility - while Sam and Tory can be considered to have worked there in these comics if you stretch the definition, Saul can't. Both "[[No Exit]]" and "[[Daybreak, Part II]]" are explicit about each of the five holding knowledge necessary to the rebuilding of resurrection, which would only be true of Ellen and Galen here. So those are definite contradictions.		::: The episode you mean in the section above is "[[No Exit]]", rather than "[[Deadlock]]". "[[No Exit]]" is explicit about all five of them working at the same research facility - while Sam and Tory can be considered to have worked there in these comics if you stretch the definition, Saul can't. Both "[[No Exit]]" and "[[Daybreak, Part II]]" are explicit about each of the five holding knowledge necessary to the rebuilding of resurrection, which would only be true of Ellen and Galen here. So those are definite contradictions.
	::: I've heard that the Final Five comics may have been based on a rough outline developed before the post-writer's strike episodes were written. Not sure if that was just the hypothesis of the person speaking, but that is the timeframe in which the official word about them first appeared. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)		::: I've heard that the Final Five comics may have been based on a rough outline developed before the post-writer's strike episodes were written. Not sure if that was just the hypothesis of the person speaking, but that is the timeframe in which the official word about them first appeared. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

			:::: Right, which kind of throws a wrench at the comic after all, because all five were needed to rebuild the resurrection technology. Hence the whole data font thing in "Daybreak, Part II," where Galen finds out that Tory killed Cally and all that unpleasantness reared its hideous head again. ;-)-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness at 01:58, 17 August 2009

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	:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one, above and beyond the usual official Universal rubber-stamp flunky. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)		:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one, above and beyond the usual official Universal rubber-stamp flunky. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

	::: The episode you mean is "[[No Exit]]", rather than "[[Deadlock]]". "[[No Exit]]" is explicit about all five of them working at the same research facility - while Sam and Tory can be considered to have worked there in these comics if you stretch the definition, Saul can't. Both "[[No Exit]]" and "[[Daybreak, Part II]]" are explicit about each of the five holding knowledge necessary to the rebuilding of resurrection, which would only be true of Ellen and Galen here. So those are definite contradictions.		::: The episode you mean in the section above is "[[No Exit]]", rather than "[[Deadlock]]". "[[No Exit]]" is explicit about all five of them working at the same research facility - while Sam and Tory can be considered to have worked there in these comics if you stretch the definition, Saul can't. Both "[[No Exit]]" and "[[Daybreak, Part II]]" are explicit about each of the five holding knowledge necessary to the rebuilding of resurrection, which would only be true of Ellen and Galen here. So those are definite contradictions.
	::: I've heard that the Final Five comics may have been based on a rough outline developed before the post-writer's strike episodes were written. Not sure if that was just the hypothesis of the person speaking. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)		::: I've heard that the Final Five comics may have been based on a rough outline developed before the post-writer's strike episodes were written. Not sure if that was just the hypothesis of the person speaking, but that is the timeframe in which the official word about them first appeared. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness: Canonicity?

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Canonicity?

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	:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one, above and beyond the usual official Universal rubber-stamp flunky. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)		:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one, above and beyond the usual official Universal rubber-stamp flunky. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

			::: The episode you mean is "[[No Exit]]", rather than "[[Deadlock]]". "[[No Exit]]" is explicit about all five of them working at the same research facility - while Sam and Tory can be considered to have worked there in these comics if you stretch the definition, Saul can't. Both "[[No Exit]]" and "[[Daybreak, Part II]]" are explicit about each of the five holding knowledge necessary to the rebuilding of resurrection, which would only be true of Ellen and Galen here. So those are definite contradictions.
			::: I've heard that the Final Five comics may have been based on a rough outline developed before the post-writer's strike episodes were written. Not sure if that was just the hypothesis of the person speaking. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The Bandsaw Vigilante: /* Canonicy reinforcement? */

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Canonicy reinforcement?

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	:: Also, RDM has stated (don't have the exact link handy, but it's out there) that he reviews each detailed comic book outline before it ever sees publication, which seems congruous with the official press release information's assertion that the "producers" have signed off on the project at some creative level or another. Plus, like I said, this specific continuity subject-matter certainly demands special attention, by its very nature, and it seems logical to assume that Moore would step in and at least deliver his two cents, given the circumstances.		:: Also, RDM has stated (don't have the exact link handy, but it's out there) that he reviews each detailed comic book outline before it ever sees publication, which seems congruous with the official press release information's assertion that the "producers" have signed off on the project at some creative level or another. Plus, like I said, this specific continuity subject-matter certainly demands special attention, by its very nature, and it seems logical to assume that Moore would step in and at least deliver his two cents, given the circumstances.

	:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one, above and beyond the usual Universal ~~official~~ rubber-stamp flunky. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)		:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one, above and beyond the usual official Universal rubber-stamp flunky. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

The Bandsaw Vigilante: /* Canonicy reinforcement? */

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Canonicy reinforcement?

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	:: Also, RDM has stated (don't have the exact link handy, but it's out there) that he reviews each detailed comic book outline before it ever sees publication, which seems congruous with the official press release information's assertion that the "producers" have signed off on the project at some creative level or another. Plus, like I said, this specific continuity subject-matter certainly demands special attention, by its very nature, and it seems logical to assume that Moore would step in and at least deliver his two cents, given the circumstances.		:: Also, RDM has stated (don't have the exact link handy, but it's out there) that he reviews each detailed comic book outline before it ever sees publication, which seems congruous with the official press release information's assertion that the "producers" have signed off on the project at some creative level or another. Plus, like I said, this specific continuity subject-matter certainly demands special attention, by its very nature, and it seems logical to assume that Moore would step in and at least deliver his two cents, given the circumstances.

	:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)		:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one, above and beyond the usual Universal official rubber-stamp flunky. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

The Bandsaw Vigilante: /* Canonicy reinforcement? */

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Canonicy reinforcement?

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	:: Also, RDM has stated (don't have the exact link handy, but it's out there) that he reviews each detailed comic book outline before it ever sees publication, which seems congruous with the official press release information's assertion that the "producers" have signed off on the project at some creative level or another. Plus, like I said, this specific continuity subject-matter certainly demands special attention, by its very nature, and it seems logical to assume that Moore would step in and at least deliver his two cents, given the circumstances.		:: Also, RDM has stated (don't have the exact link handy, but it's out there) that he reviews each detailed comic book outline before it ever sees publication, which seems congruous with the official press release information's assertion that the "producers" have signed off on the project at some creative level or another. Plus, like I said, this specific continuity subject-matter certainly demands special attention, by its very nature, and it seems logical to assume that Moore would step in and at least deliver his two cents, given the circumstances.

	:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was some direct showrunner involvement in this one. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)		:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was ''some'' direct showrunner involvement in this one. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

The Bandsaw Vigilante: /* Canonicy reinforcement? */

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Canonicy reinforcement?

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	:: Never said that fandom reception was a clear-cut litmus test for canonicity, only pointing out that -- assuming that ''Caprica'' or any other future filmed RDM-verse project never touches this particular subject area again -- this series could eventually become the ''de facto'' canon statement in this area, by simple default. That's all.		:: Never said that fandom reception was any type of clear-cut litmus test for canonicity, only pointing out that -- assuming that ''Caprica'' or any other future filmed RDM-verse project never touches this particular subject area again -- this series could eventually become the ''de facto'' canon statement in this area, by simple default. That's all.

	:: Also, RDM has stated (don't have the exact link handy, but it's out there) that he reviews each detailed comic book outline before it ever sees publication, which seems congruous with the official press release information's assertion that the "producers" have signed off on the project at some creative level or another. Plus, like I said, this specific continuity subject-matter certainly demands special attention, by its very nature, and it seems logical to assume that Moore would step in and at least deliver his two cents, given the circumstances.		:: Also, RDM has stated (don't have the exact link handy, but it's out there) that he reviews each detailed comic book outline before it ever sees publication, which seems congruous with the official press release information's assertion that the "producers" have signed off on the project at some creative level or another. Plus, like I said, this specific continuity subject-matter certainly demands special attention, by its very nature, and it seems logical to assume that Moore would step in and at least deliver his two cents, given the circumstances.

	:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was some direct showrunner involvement in this one. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)		:: And, as we've already seen, if Jane Espenson is aware of the series, it seems reasonable to assume that Moore himself also possesses some nominal awareness of it as well, though he may never have an organic storytelling reason to ever refer to the storyline again onscreen. Likewise, as I pointed out earlier, this miniseries marks the first time that Dynamite (and Universal) have ever made a point to go and include reference to the actual TV series' producers in their press release -- which again seems to indicate (though not with hard evidence, but an indication) that there was some direct showrunner involvement in this one. --[[User:The Bandsaw Vigilante\|The Bandsaw Vigilante]] 03:39, 15 August 2009 (UTC)