Talk:Battle of the Resurrection Ship/Archive 1 - Revision history

April Arcus: name change

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name change

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	::::As for your notion of standards for the battle pages, they would certainly be useful to discuss. As always, the appropriate place is [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:59, 19 January 2006 (EST)		::::As for your notion of standards for the battle pages, they would certainly be useful to discuss. As always, the appropriate place is [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:59, 19 January 2006 (EST)

	::::I clearly favor "Attack of", given ~~Peter~~'s reasoning. (Which is why I called it "Attack of the Resurrection Ship" instead of "Battle of the Resurrection Ship".) Also, we ''could'' get away with naming the article "Fall of the Resurrection Ship"... Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 21 January 2006 (EST)		::::I clearly favor "Attack of", given April's reasoning. (Which is why I called it "Attack of the Resurrection Ship" instead of "Battle of the Resurrection Ship".) Also, we ''could'' get away with naming the article "Fall of the Resurrection Ship"... Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 21 January 2006 (EST)

	==Call for opinions==		==Call for opinions==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Commander Mazien: /* Raptor Crew */

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Raptor Crew

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	It only takes 2 people to pilot a Raptor so what were 4 people doing in the one the Blackbird crashed into? Also, why was it disabled? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)		It only takes 2 people to pilot a Raptor so what were 4 people doing in the one the Blackbird crashed into? Also, why was it disabled? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
	:It was never stated that there were four people on the raptor, just that six people died between this episode and the next, including Cain and the marine killed by Gina. The Raptor that Lee collided with could have survived entirely; it could have been destroyed with two pilots, in addition to two vipers, it could have had a crew of four, or anything in between. And who knows why it was disabled? There was a lot of ordinance flying around, and a casualty figure of four is astonishingly low already. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:01, 22 October 2006 (CDT)		:It was never stated that there were four people on the raptor, just that six people died between this episode and the next, including Cain and the marine killed by Gina. The Raptor that Lee collided with could have survived entirely; it could have been destroyed with two pilots, in addition to two vipers, it could have had a crew of four, or anything in between. And who knows why it was disabled? There was a lot of ordinance flying around, and a casualty figure of four is astonishingly low already. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:01, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

			==Support Ships==

			Cain said that about a dozen support ships were protecting the Resurrection Ship in conjunction with the Basestars. But where were they during the stealth mission and subsequent battle? I only saw Basestars. Or was Cain referring to the Heavy Raiders in the formations '''as''' the support ships? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:12, 29 November 2006 (CST)

April Arcus: /* Raptor Crew */

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Raptor Crew

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	It only takes 2 people to pilot a Raptor so what were 4 people doing in the one the Blackbird crashed into? Also, why was it disabled? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)		It only takes 2 people to pilot a Raptor so what were 4 people doing in the one the Blackbird crashed into? Also, why was it disabled? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
			:It was never stated that there were four people on the raptor, just that six people died between this episode and the next, including Cain and the marine killed by Gina. The Raptor that Lee collided with could have survived entirely; it could have been destroyed with two pilots, in addition to two vipers, it could have had a crew of four, or anything in between. And who knows why it was disabled? There was a lot of ordinance flying around, and a casualty figure of four is astonishingly low already. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:01, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

Commander Mazien at 23:48, 22 October 2006

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	: It should be refined to say "were surprised by the discovery that ''Pegasus'' had discovered ''Galactica''", since the Cylons had not known that Cain found the Fleet until that attack. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:38, 8 October 2006 (CDT)		: It should be refined to say "were surprised by the discovery that ''Pegasus'' had discovered ''Galactica''", since the Cylons had not known that Cain found the Fleet until that attack. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:38, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
	:: That sounds good, except that since the only Cylon we ever observe in the episode is 'Gina,' our saying that the Cylons were suprised is tenuous. If I were commander of two base stars, a res ship, and whatever else might have been there, following a human fleet away from their homeworlds, and kept getting outerspace-ambushed by a different human ship, I might expect them to link up at some point. - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 07:28, 10 October 2006 (CDT)		:: That sounds good, except that since the only Cylon we ever observe in the episode is 'Gina,' our saying that the Cylons were suprised is tenuous. If I were commander of two base stars, a res ship, and whatever else might have been there, following a human fleet away from their homeworlds, and kept getting outerspace-ambushed by a different human ship, I might expect them to link up at some point. - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 07:28, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

			==Raptor Crew==

			It only takes 2 people to pilot a Raptor so what were 4 people doing in the one the Blackbird crashed into? Also, why was it disabled? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

Keithustus: /* Midway Similarities in Question */

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Midway Similarities in Question

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	The article currently includes the language that the Cylons, "were surprised by the appearance of Pegasus, long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack." The Pegasus had been performing hit-and-run tactics and even made an attack on a large number of raider squadrons. To say that the Cylons thought it had been destroyed and were suprised cannot be right. I'm not sure if there is a better way to correct the article other than to remove the language, however. Suggestions? - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 21:32, 8 October 2006 (CDT)		The article currently includes the language that the Cylons, "were surprised by the appearance of Pegasus, long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack." The Pegasus had been performing hit-and-run tactics and even made an attack on a large number of raider squadrons. To say that the Cylons thought it had been destroyed and were suprised cannot be right. I'm not sure if there is a better way to correct the article other than to remove the language, however. Suggestions? - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 21:32, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
	: It should be refined to say "were surprised by the discovery that ''Pegasus'' had discovered ''Galactica''", since the Cylons had not known that Cain found the Fleet until that attack. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:38, 8 October 2006 (CDT)		: It should be refined to say "were surprised by the discovery that ''Pegasus'' had discovered ''Galactica''", since the Cylons had not known that Cain found the Fleet until that attack. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:38, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
			:: That sounds good, except that since the only Cylon we ever observe in the episode is 'Gina,' our saying that the Cylons were suprised is tenuous. If I were commander of two base stars, a res ship, and whatever else might have been there, following a human fleet away from their homeworlds, and kept getting outerspace-ambushed by a different human ship, I might expect them to link up at some point. - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 07:28, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Midway Similarities in Question */ reply

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Midway Similarities in Question: reply

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	The article currently includes the language that the Cylons, "were surprised by the appearance of Pegasus, long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack." The Pegasus had been performing hit-and-run tactics and even made an attack on a large number of raider squadrons. To say that the Cylons thought it had been destroyed and were suprised cannot be right. I'm not sure if there is a better way to correct the article other than to remove the language, however. Suggestions? - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 21:32, 8 October 2006 (CDT)		The article currently includes the language that the Cylons, "were surprised by the appearance of Pegasus, long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack." The Pegasus had been performing hit-and-run tactics and even made an attack on a large number of raider squadrons. To say that the Cylons thought it had been destroyed and were suprised cannot be right. I'm not sure if there is a better way to correct the article other than to remove the language, however. Suggestions? - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 21:32, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
			: It should be refined to say "were surprised by the discovery that ''Pegasus'' had discovered ''Galactica''", since the Cylons had not known that Cain found the Fleet until that attack. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:38, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

Keithustus: Midway Similarities in Question

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Midway Similarities in Question

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	:You will also see my counterarguements on the same page, which show the reasons why I think it should stay. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 18:23, 21 January 2006 (EST)		:You will also see my counterarguements on the same page, which show the reasons why I think it should stay. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 18:23, 21 January 2006 (EST)

			== Midway Similarities in Question ==

			The article currently includes the language that the Cylons, "were surprised by the appearance of Pegasus, long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack." The Pegasus had been performing hit-and-run tactics and even made an attack on a large number of raider squadrons. To say that the Cylons thought it had been destroyed and were suprised cannot be right. I'm not sure if there is a better way to correct the article other than to remove the language, however. Suggestions? - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 21:32, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Article Name */ reply

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Article Name: reply

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	::::As for your notion of standards for the battle pages, they would certainly be useful to discuss. As always, the appropriate place is [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions]]. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:59, 19 January 2006 (EST)		::::As for your notion of standards for the battle pages, they would certainly be useful to discuss. As always, the appropriate place is [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions]]. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:59, 19 January 2006 (EST)

			::::I clearly favor "Attack of", given Peter's reasoning. (Which is why I called it "Attack of the Resurrection Ship" instead of "Battle of the Resurrection Ship".) Also, we ''could'' get away with naming the article "Fall of the Resurrection Ship"... Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 21 January 2006 (EST)

	==Call for opinions==		==Call for opinions==

The Merovingian at 23:23, 21 January 2006

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	I want this page moved back to "Attack on the Resurrection Ship" for reasons discussed above and on [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions#Battle pages]]. If you have an unvoiced opinion on the matter, please chime in. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:25, 21 January 2006 (EST)		I want this page moved back to "Attack on the Resurrection Ship" for reasons discussed above and on [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions#Battle pages]]. If you have an unvoiced opinion on the matter, please chime in. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:25, 21 January 2006 (EST)

			:You will also see my counterarguements on the same page, which show the reasons why I think it should stay. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 18:23, 21 January 2006 (EST)

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	The article currently includes the language that the Cylons, "were surprised by the appearance of Pegasus, long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack." The Pegasus had been performing hit-and-run tactics and even made an attack on a large number of raider squadrons. To say that the Cylons thought it had been destroyed and were suprised cannot be right. I'm not sure if there is a better way to correct the article other than to remove the language, however. Suggestions? - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 21:32, 8 October 2006 (CDT)		The article currently includes the language that the Cylons, "were surprised by the appearance of Pegasus, long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack." The Pegasus had been performing hit-and-run tactics and even made an attack on a large number of raider squadrons. To say that the Cylons thought it had been destroyed and were suprised cannot be right. I'm not sure if there is a better way to correct the article other than to remove the language, however. Suggestions? - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 21:32, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
	: It should be refined to say "were surprised by the discovery that ''Pegasus'' had discovered ''Galactica''", since the Cylons had not known that Cain found the Fleet until that attack. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:38, 8 October 2006 (CDT)		: It should be refined to say "were surprised by the discovery that ''Pegasus'' had discovered ''Galactica''", since the Cylons had not known that Cain found the Fleet until that attack. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:38, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
			:: That sounds good, except that since the only Cylon we ever observe in the episode is 'Gina,' our saying that the Cylons were suprised is tenuous. If I were commander of two base stars, a res ship, and whatever else might have been there, following a human fleet away from their homeworlds, and kept getting outerspace-ambushed by a different human ship, I might expect them to link up at some point. - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 07:28, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

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	==Article Name==		==Article Name==
	I preferred "Attack on". "Battle of" usually precedes the name of the battleground, which is unnamed here. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 20:15, 19 January 2006 (EST)		I preferred "Attack on". "Battle of" usually precedes the name of the battleground, which is unnamed here. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 20:15, 19 January 2006 (EST)

	:I'm sorry but that's the format we're using. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]][[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 22:08, 19 January 2006 (EST)		:I'm sorry but that's the format we're using. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]][[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 22:08, 19 January 2006 (EST)

	::Ricimer, that was only slightly more polite than just telling me to shut up. The reason it's called a "talk" page is because we ''talk'' on it. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 22:41, 19 January 2006 (EST)		::Ricimer, that was only slightly more polite than just telling me to shut up. The reason it's called a "talk" page is because we ''talk'' on it. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:41, 19 January 2006 (EST)

	:::For the battles series, "Battles" are used for most things, "Skirmish" is for small but noteworthy engagements, usually when either A) a minor recurring character dies, or B) a Viper or Raptor is destroyed. "Skirmish over the Red Moon" is officially the smallest engagement that deserves it's own page; i.e. when 2 Raiders are destroyed with no losses in "Final Cut", it's so minor that it doesn't deserve a page. (also, on special occasions 'Fall of " can be used, etc). The basis I'm using is that the destruction of the ''Bismark'' is not referred to as "Attack on the ''Bismark'' "Battle of the North Sea" etc (something like that).		:::For the battles series, "Battles" are used for most things, "Skirmish" is for small but noteworthy engagements, usually when either A) a minor recurring character dies, or B) a Viper or Raptor is destroyed. "Skirmish over the Red Moon" is officially the smallest engagement that deserves it's own page; i.e. when 2 Raiders are destroyed with no losses in "Final Cut", it's so minor that it doesn't deserve a page. (also, on special occasions 'Fall of " can be used, etc). The basis I'm using is that the destruction of the ''Bismark'' is not referred to as "Attack on the ''Bismark'' "Battle of the North Sea" etc (something like that).
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	::::It's appropriate to refer to the "Battle of the North Sea", since any historian writing about the Bismarck would know where it was. Since we don't know where the attack on the resurrection ship took place, the article would be better off being named based on information we do know. I favor "Attack on the Resurrection Ship".		::::It's appropriate to refer to the "Battle of the North Sea", since any historian writing about the Bismarck would know where it was. Since we don't know where the attack on the resurrection ship took place, the article would be better off being named based on information we do know. I favor "Attack on the Resurrection Ship".

	::::As for your notion of standards for the battle pages, they would certainly be useful to discuss. As always, the appropriate place is [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions]]. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 22:59, 19 January 2006 (EST)		::::As for your notion of standards for the battle pages, they would certainly be useful to discuss. As always, the appropriate place is [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:59, 19 January 2006 (EST)

	::::I clearly favor "Attack of", given Peter's reasoning. (Which is why I called it "Attack of the Resurrection Ship" instead of "Battle of the Resurrection Ship".) Also, we ''could'' get away with naming the article "Fall of the Resurrection Ship"... Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 21 January 2006 (EST)		::::I clearly favor "Attack of", given Peter's reasoning. (Which is why I called it "Attack of the Resurrection Ship" instead of "Battle of the Resurrection Ship".) Also, we ''could'' get away with naming the article "Fall of the Resurrection Ship"... Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 21 January 2006 (EST)
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	==Call for opinions==		==Call for opinions==

	I want this page moved back to "Attack on the Resurrection Ship" for reasons discussed above and on [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions#Battle pages]]. If you have an unvoiced opinion on the matter, please chime in. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:25, 21 January 2006 (EST)		I want this page moved back to "Attack on the Resurrection Ship" for reasons discussed above and on [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions#Battle pages]]. If you have an unvoiced opinion on the matter, please chime in. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:25, 21 January 2006 (EST)

	:You will also see my counterarguements on the same page, which show the reasons why I think it should stay. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 18:23, 21 January 2006 (EST)		:You will also see my counterarguements on the same page, which show the reasons why I think it should stay. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 18:23, 21 January 2006 (EST)
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	It only takes 2 people to pilot a Raptor so what were 4 people doing in the one the Blackbird crashed into? Also, why was it disabled? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)		It only takes 2 people to pilot a Raptor so what were 4 people doing in the one the Blackbird crashed into? Also, why was it disabled? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
	:It was never stated that there were four people on the raptor, just that six people died between this episode and the next, including Cain and the marine killed by Gina. The Raptor that Lee collided with could have survived entirely; it could have been destroyed with two pilots, in addition to two vipers, it could have had a crew of four, or anything in between. And who knows why it was disabled? There was a lot of ordinance flying around, and a casualty figure of four is astonishingly low already. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:01, 22 October 2006 (CDT)		:It was never stated that there were four people on the raptor, just that six people died between this episode and the next, including Cain and the marine killed by Gina. The Raptor that Lee collided with could have survived entirely; it could have been destroyed with two pilots, in addition to two vipers, it could have had a crew of four, or anything in between. And who knows why it was disabled? There was a lot of ordinance flying around, and a casualty figure of four is astonishingly low already. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:01, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

	==Support Ships==		==Support Ships==

	Cain said that about a dozen support ships were protecting the Resurrection Ship in conjunction with the Basestars. But where were they during the stealth mission and subsequent battle? I only saw Basestars. Or was Cain referring to the Heavy Raiders in the formations '''as''' the support ships? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:12, 29 November 2006 (CST)		Cain said that about a dozen support ships were protecting the Resurrection Ship in conjunction with the Basestars. But where were they during the stealth mission and subsequent battle? I only saw Basestars. Or was Cain referring to the Heavy Raiders in the formations '''as''' the support ships? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 18:12, 29 November 2006 (CST)