Talk:Battle of New Caprica/Archive 1 - Revision history

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Spencerian: /* Battle Imagery */

2008-07-13T22:41:52Z

Battle Imagery

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	I much enjoyed the Battle Imagery section. Great job those who contributed to that. I'd love to see [http://s4.tinypic.com/jsmyzd.jpg the view showing the new Caprican coast line] included under "Galactica's Surprise Attack", however I am not sure of the source or format of my image, so with respect to [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/BWM:ITP the tagging policy on fair use], I have not been able to upload it. --[[User:Xlynx\|Xlynx]] 14:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)		I much enjoyed the Battle Imagery section. Great job those who contributed to that. I'd love to see [http://s4.tinypic.com/jsmyzd.jpg the view showing the new Caprican coast line] included under "Galactica's Surprise Attack", however I am not sure of the source or format of my image, so with respect to [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/BWM:ITP the tagging policy on fair use], I have not been able to upload it. --[[User:Xlynx\|Xlynx]] 14:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
			:Hi Xlynx. Odds are that your source created a NTSC broadcast screencap or a DVD screencap. Use your best judgment, then use the appropriate image tag (filling in as much of the picture data as you know in the template tag). You can note the source website (given you don't know the precise capture) as the source. The Battlestar Wiki Media area, I think, still has a separate login there, so your login here may not be shared there. You may need to create a login to upload (you can duplicate your name and such there, to make it easy). --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 22:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Xlynx: /* Battle Imagery */ new section

2008-07-13T14:07:39Z

Battle Imagery: new section

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	:Never mind! All fixed :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 06:20, 28 January 2007 (CST)		:Never mind! All fixed :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 06:20, 28 January 2007 (CST)

			== Battle Imagery ==

			I much enjoyed the Battle Imagery section. Great job those who contributed to that. I'd love to see [http://s4.tinypic.com/jsmyzd.jpg the view showing the new Caprican coast line] included under "Galactica's Surprise Attack", however I am not sure of the source or format of my image, so with respect to [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/BWM:ITP the tagging policy on fair use], I have not been able to upload it. --[[User:Xlynx\|Xlynx]] 14:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Azselendor: /* Material Losses */

2007-02-26T22:35:00Z

Material Losses

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	::::Actually, I was rewatching the episode earlier. AVI, not the best of quality, but I make do and I've got some experience watching for little technical details. If you look really carefully at that first basestar Pegasus hits, it looks like the hull begins to undergo considerable warping during the explosions. I'm pretty sure I saw at least one of the prongs on the basestar move, slowly angling away from the rest of the ship. Since Pegasus looked like it was targeting the central axis of that basestar, this implies one of the basestar's prongs was completely decapitated, or at least structurall compromised. Since a basestar is what, 70% prongs? I'd say that if one of the prongs was indeed severed near its root, it would constitute massive damage. Could the Pegasus do such damage with only 4 hits? Maybe, there's always the chance she rolled a 20 and scored a critical. And well, she is THE Pegasus. Interestingly enough, if you watch the 4th hit on the basestar, you'll see that it seems to cause an explosion on impact, but it then proceeds continue on and pass THROUGH the basestar. Maybe Pegy was throwing some penetrators along with the high explosives? Who knows? Plus, she was charging straight at that particular basestar, her velocity would've been positively imparted to her shots. Why didn't we see such a damaged basestar later? Well, it's not like the CG people never screws up, either way. Maybe it was the opposite, and they over did the damage effects from the initial volley against the basestar. --[[User:David Templar\|David Templar]] 13:55, 26 February 2007 (CST)		::::Actually, I was rewatching the episode earlier. AVI, not the best of quality, but I make do and I've got some experience watching for little technical details. If you look really carefully at that first basestar Pegasus hits, it looks like the hull begins to undergo considerable warping during the explosions. I'm pretty sure I saw at least one of the prongs on the basestar move, slowly angling away from the rest of the ship. Since Pegasus looked like it was targeting the central axis of that basestar, this implies one of the basestar's prongs was completely decapitated, or at least structurall compromised. Since a basestar is what, 70% prongs? I'd say that if one of the prongs was indeed severed near its root, it would constitute massive damage. Could the Pegasus do such damage with only 4 hits? Maybe, there's always the chance she rolled a 20 and scored a critical. And well, she is THE Pegasus. Interestingly enough, if you watch the 4th hit on the basestar, you'll see that it seems to cause an explosion on impact, but it then proceeds continue on and pass THROUGH the basestar. Maybe Pegy was throwing some penetrators along with the high explosives? Who knows? Plus, she was charging straight at that particular basestar, her velocity would've been positively imparted to her shots. Why didn't we see such a damaged basestar later? Well, it's not like the CG people never screws up, either way. Maybe it was the opposite, and they over did the damage effects from the initial volley against the basestar. --[[User:David Templar\|David Templar]] 13:55, 26 February 2007 (CST)

			::::: At 28:19/20, the dradis screen appears to show 4 basestars on it. If anything, I'd say the one hit in the initial attack was crippled and left stricken as it doesn't seem to participate in the battle afterwards. We need an HD copy to confirm all of this. But I also, reviewing the initial attack, it appears the first basestar suffered considerable damage, however, Pegasus missed a considerable number of shots too. It could very well be that several shots passed throw the explosions and missed the target. [[User:Azselendor\|Azselendor]] 16:35, 26 February 2007 (CST)

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David Templar: /* Material Losses */ Initial volley on basestar

2007-02-26T19:55:42Z

Material Losses: Initial volley on basestar

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	::Good analysis, Azselendor. If you can note the timestamps of where you see the basestar sources if called upon by other contributors, then it's worthy to update the article to your observations. --15:16, 15 February 2007 (CST)		::Good analysis, Azselendor. If you can note the timestamps of where you see the basestar sources if called upon by other contributors, then it's worthy to update the article to your observations. --15:16, 15 February 2007 (CST)

	::: All I need to do is get the episode in high def and I can confirm the damages, because I think I spotted the 4th basestar partially obscured by another one. [[User:Azselendor\|Azselendor]] 10:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)		::: All I need to do is get the episode in high def and I can confirm the damages, because I think I spotted the 4th basestar partially obscured by another one. [[User:Azselendor\|Azselendor]] 10:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)

			::::Actually, I was rewatching the episode earlier. AVI, not the best of quality, but I make do and I've got some experience watching for little technical details. If you look really carefully at that first basestar Pegasus hits, it looks like the hull begins to undergo considerable warping during the explosions. I'm pretty sure I saw at least one of the prongs on the basestar move, slowly angling away from the rest of the ship. Since Pegasus looked like it was targeting the central axis of that basestar, this implies one of the basestar's prongs was completely decapitated, or at least structurall compromised. Since a basestar is what, 70% prongs? I'd say that if one of the prongs was indeed severed near its root, it would constitute massive damage. Could the Pegasus do such damage with only 4 hits? Maybe, there's always the chance she rolled a 20 and scored a critical. And well, she is THE Pegasus. Interestingly enough, if you watch the 4th hit on the basestar, you'll see that it seems to cause an explosion on impact, but it then proceeds continue on and pass THROUGH the basestar. Maybe Pegy was throwing some penetrators along with the high explosives? Who knows? Plus, she was charging straight at that particular basestar, her velocity would've been positively imparted to her shots. Why didn't we see such a damaged basestar later? Well, it's not like the CG people never screws up, either way. Maybe it was the opposite, and they over did the damage effects from the initial volley against the basestar. --[[User:David Templar\|David Templar]] 13:55, 26 February 2007 (CST)

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Azselendor: /* Material Losses */

2007-02-26T16:57:27Z

Material Losses

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	::Good analysis, Azselendor. If you can note the timestamps of where you see the basestar sources if called upon by other contributors, then it's worthy to update the article to your observations. --15:16, 15 February 2007 (CST)		::Good analysis, Azselendor. If you can note the timestamps of where you see the basestar sources if called upon by other contributors, then it's worthy to update the article to your observations. --15:16, 15 February 2007 (CST)
			::: All I need to do is get the episode in high def and I can confirm the damages, because I think I spotted the 4th basestar partially obscured by another one. [[User:Azselendor\|Azselendor]] 10:57, 26 February 2007 (CST)

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Spencerian: /* Material Losses */ +reply

2007-02-15T21:16:49Z

Material Losses: +reply

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	where does your third basestar go? we see Pegasus hit one with its forward batteries but it isnt a confirmed kill as it definetly appears on DRADIS in the next scene only 2 Basestars are confirmed kills in this fight Too many people seem to assume the ship that takes the initial volley dies or suffers extensive damage yet we see Battlestars shrug off this kind of damage all the time with minimum effect. for example Pegasus is under bombardment from at a minimum 3 basestars and in all likelyhood 4 along with whatever the raiders can do for at least aslong as it takes for CMDR Adama to get between CIC and the escape Raptors {{unsigned\|Furrygophe}}		:where does your third basestar go? we see Pegasus hit one with its forward batteries but it isnt a confirmed kill as it definetly appears on DRADIS in the next scene only 2 Basestars are confirmed kills in this fight Too many people seem to assume the ship that takes the initial volley dies or suffers extensive damage yet we see Battlestars shrug off this kind of damage all the time with minimum effect. for example Pegasus is under bombardment from at a minimum 3 basestars and in all likelyhood 4 along with whatever the raiders can do for at least aslong as it takes for CMDR Adama to get between CIC and the escape Raptors {{unsigned\|Furrygophe}}

			::Good analysis, Azselendor. If you can note the timestamps of where you see the basestar sources if called upon by other contributors, then it's worthy to update the article to your observations. --15:16, 15 February 2007 (CST)

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Azselendor: /* Atmospheric Heating Effects */

2007-02-15T17:19:05Z

Atmospheric Heating Effects

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	:::Or we could assume that FTL travel superheats the hull of a ship, and that caused the effect. Makes it much easier to swallow. [[User:Maserati1945\|Maserati1945]] 08:36, 27 October 2006 (CDT)		:::Or we could assume that FTL travel superheats the hull of a ship, and that caused the effect. Makes it much easier to swallow. [[User:Maserati1945\|Maserati1945]] 08:36, 27 October 2006 (CDT)
	::::Ok, I've solved this once and for all. First, its likely that Galactica was moving with some velocity when it jumped, so this velocity was maintained after the jump as previous jumps with Raptors prove that velocity is maintained. Add to that the increase of acceleration that started as soon as Galactica finished the jump. When the major said "altitude 99,000, falling like a rock", he was probably referring to meters, and not feet. So more like 328,000 feet, give or take, or 62 miles, meaning that Galactica was above the theshold of what we call space here on Earth. Like the suborbital Mercury craft, Galactica experienced superheating on its underside because it was in fact passing through the atmosphere of New Caprica. The reason it looked like it was so much lower was because the ship is nearly a frakking mile (1.6 frakking kilometers) long. [[User:Maserati1945\|Maserati1945]] 17:05, 09 November 2006 (CDT)		::::Ok, I've solved this once and for all. First, its likely that Galactica was moving with some velocity when it jumped, so this velocity was maintained after the jump as previous jumps with Raptors prove that velocity is maintained. Add to that the increase of acceleration that started as soon as Galactica finished the jump. When the major said "altitude 99,000, falling like a rock", he was probably referring to meters, and not feet. So more like 328,000 feet, give or take, or 62 miles, meaning that Galactica was above the theshold of what we call space here on Earth. Like the suborbital Mercury craft, Galactica experienced superheating on its underside because it was in fact passing through the atmosphere of New Caprica. The reason it looked like it was so much lower was because the ship is nearly a frakking mile (1.6 frakking kilometers) long. [[User:Maserati1945\|Maserati1945]] 17:05, 09 November 2006 (CDT)

			It might be worth noting that Tyrol and Tigh were looking in different directions as Galactica Belly Flopped, and neither were looking in the direction where galactica was. [[User:Azselendor\|Azselendor]] 11:19, 15 February 2007 (CST)

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Azselendor: /* Material Losses */

2007-02-15T17:15:55Z

Material Losses

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	==Material Losses==		==Material Losses==
	When the screen cuts from Lee leaving the CIC, it shows Pegasus going up to colide with the one Basestar, but in the background is the 3rd Basestar and I noticed it had two noticeable "flaming" spots on one of each of its topside and bottomside "points" and as far as we know, it was the only surviving Basestar of the four. This might classify moderate damage to a Basestar, but (just to clarify) is this worth putting in the Battle Data (Moderate damage to 1 Basestar)? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 06:18, 2 December 2006 (CST)		When the screen cuts from Lee leaving the CIC, it shows Pegasus going up to colide with the one Basestar, but in the background is the 3rd Basestar and I noticed it had two noticeable "flaming" spots on one of each of its topside and bottomside "points" and as far as we know, it was the only surviving Basestar of the four. This might classify moderate damage to a Basestar, but (just to clarify) is this worth putting in the Battle Data (Moderate damage to 1 Basestar)? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 06:18, 2 December 2006 (CST)
			: I do not see any evidence 3 basestars were lost, only two during Pegasus' final run. a 3rd received moderate damaged (pegasus passed it during the final run) and the 4th (pegasus' opening volley) appears to have been routed from the battlefield by pegasus' destruction, but it appears on dradis screens at points after the opening volley, so I would say, not destroyed. As what we saw was not consistent with the destruction or crippling of basestars we've seen in resurrection ship, captain's hand, and torn. I'm inclined to say material losses was 2 basestars lost, 1 crippled and routed, 1 moderately damaged. [[User:Azselendor\|Azselendor]] 11:15, 15 February 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Material Losses */ unsigned comment

2007-02-14T14:49:59Z

Material Losses: unsigned comment

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	where does your third basestar go? we see Pegasus hit one with its forward batteries but it isnt a confirmed kill as it definetly appears on DRADIS in the next scene only 2 Basestars are confirmed kills in this fight Too many people seem to assume the ship that takes the initial volley dies or suffers extensive damage yet we see Battlestars shrug off this kind of damage all the time with minimum effect. for example Pegasus is under bombardment from at a minimum 3 basestars and in all likelyhood 4 along with whatever the raiders can do for at least aslong as it takes for CMDR Adama to get between CIC and the escape Raptors		where does your third basestar go? we see Pegasus hit one with its forward batteries but it isnt a confirmed kill as it definetly appears on DRADIS in the next scene only 2 Basestars are confirmed kills in this fight Too many people seem to assume the ship that takes the initial volley dies or suffers extensive damage yet we see Battlestars shrug off this kind of damage all the time with minimum effect. for example Pegasus is under bombardment from at a minimum 3 basestars and in all likelyhood 4 along with whatever the raiders can do for at least aslong as it takes for CMDR Adama to get between CIC and the escape Raptors {{unsigned\|Furrygophe}}

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	It can also be assumed that a couple of civilian ships were destroyed or left back on the planet, as numerous civilians are on Galactica. RDM mentioned that in the podcast as well. We just didn't see it on screen. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:16, 29 October 2006 (CST)		It can also be assumed that a couple of civilian ships were destroyed or left back on the planet, as numerous civilians are on Galactica. RDM mentioned that in the podcast as well. We just didn't see it on screen. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:16, 29 October 2006 (CST)

	:Unfortunately, that covers the entire time span between LDYB2 and Collaborators, nearly five months. We can be sure that many died in the Exodus, but many of those casualties must have taken place during the occupation. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:43, 29 October 2006 (CST)		:Unfortunately, that covers the entire time span between LDYB2 and Collaborators, nearly five months. We can be sure that many died in the Exodus, but many of those casualties must have taken place during the occupation. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:43, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	::True, but not even a larger part of it. There wasn't ''that'' much fighting until shortly before the end. Just guessing I'd say less than 300 during the occupation. That still leaves a sizeable amount of losses during the evacuation		::True, but not even a larger part of it. There wasn't ''that'' much fighting until shortly before the end. Just guessing I'd say less than 300 during the occupation. That still leaves a sizeable amount of losses during the evacuation
	::Maybe a note, saying that it includes the losses during the whole occupation? It's probably the closest we'll ever get to an accurate number and far better than "unknown" --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:48, 29 October 2006 (CST)		::Maybe a note, saying that it includes the losses during the whole occupation? It's probably the closest we'll ever get to an accurate number and far better than "unknown" --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:48, 29 October 2006 (CST)
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	Also, please dont neglect the destruction of Cloud Nine and the other two vessels alongside - they may have had a few 1000 people on them... --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:18, 29 October 2006 (CST)		Also, please dont neglect the destruction of Cloud Nine and the other two vessels alongside - they may have had a few 1000 people on them... --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 19:18, 29 October 2006 (CST)

	:We haven't. See [[survivor count]]. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 20:06, 29 October 2006 (CST)		:We haven't. See [[survivor count]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 20:06, 29 October 2006 (CST)

	Why are deaths in the insurgency being included in the casualties box? Approx 500 people died during it so that would make the losses of the actual battle at roughly 1500. So again, why are insurgency deaths being included? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 15:37, 22 December 2006 (CST)		Why are deaths in the insurgency being included in the casualties box? Approx 500 people died during it so that would make the losses of the actual battle at roughly 1500. So again, why are insurgency deaths being included? [[User:Commander Mazien\|Commander Mazien]] 15:37, 22 December 2006 (CST)
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	And how did we determine that Three "couldn't find" the nuke? It appears that she made a beeline for the oracle, as presumably the nuke would be located inside the "green zone". [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens\|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 00:41, 23 October 2006 (CDT)		And how did we determine that Three "couldn't find" the nuke? It appears that she made a beeline for the oracle, as presumably the nuke would be located inside the "green zone". [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens\|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 00:41, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
	:Actually, she was named as D'anna by Baltar, which is pretty interesting. Somehow she must have been able to avoid being exposed by Anders for over a year, until the arrival of new resurrection facilities. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:12, 23 October 2006 (CDT)		:Actually, she was named as D'anna by Baltar, which is pretty interesting. Somehow she must have been able to avoid being exposed by Anders for over a year, until the arrival of new resurrection facilities. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:12, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Look at the "Number Three" article talk page. I posted a section on some research I did to find out which Three it was :p --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 05:59, 23 October 2006 (CDT)		::Look at the "Number Three" article talk page. I posted a section on some research I did to find out which Three it was :p --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 05:59, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
	:As interesting as this discussion is, it is more relevant for the [[Exodus, Part II]] or [[Number Three]] page rather than the page for the battle. I'm cutting down the last paragraph about this sequence for the same reason. My rationale: once the civilian ships depart, once the basestars are destroyed/debilitated, once ''Galactica'' is away, a potential squabble between Baltar and whichever Cylons happen to remain on the surface matters very little. There is very limited militarily decisive action; it ought not get more than a cursory review in a battle summary, especially with as much as we must assume to make the description accurate. - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 11:40, 23 October 2006 (CDT)		:As interesting as this discussion is, it is more relevant for the [[Exodus, Part II]] or [[Number Three]] page rather than the page for the battle. I'm cutting down the last paragraph about this sequence for the same reason. My rationale: once the civilian ships depart, once the basestars are destroyed/debilitated, once ''Galactica'' is away, a potential squabble between Baltar and whichever Cylons happen to remain on the surface matters very little. There is very limited militarily decisive action; it ought not get more than a cursory review in a battle summary, especially with as much as we must assume to make the description accurate. - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 11:40, 23 October 2006 (CDT)