Talk:Apotheosis (episode)/Archive 1 - Revision history

Noneofyourbusiness at 21:53, 1 May 2011

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	Might I propose an article collecting information on Season 2, from the commentaries and Kevin Murphy's recent interview with The Caprica Times? It should be noted that it's uncertain how canonical anything not shown in the epilogue is. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:22, 1 May 2011 (EDT)		Might I propose an article collecting information on Season 2, from the commentaries and Kevin Murphy's recent interview with The Caprica Times? It should be noted that it's uncertain how canonical anything not shown in the epilogue is. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:22, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
	: Let's do it. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:53, 1 May 2011 (EDT)		: Let's do it. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:53, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
			:: Done. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:53, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Caprica Season 2 */ reply

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Caprica Season 2: reply

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	Might I propose an article collecting information on Season 2, from the commentaries and Kevin Murphy's recent interview with The Caprica Times? It should be noted that it's uncertain how canonical anything not shown in the epilogue is. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:22, 1 May 2011 (EDT)		Might I propose an article collecting information on Season 2, from the commentaries and Kevin Murphy's recent interview with The Caprica Times? It should be noted that it's uncertain how canonical anything not shown in the epilogue is. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:22, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
			: Let's do it. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:53, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

Noneofyourbusiness: /* Caprica Season 2 */ new section

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Caprica Season 2: new section

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	:::Agreed. I'll delete both entries. --[[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 21:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)		:::Agreed. I'll delete both entries. --[[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 21:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

			== Caprica Season 2 ==

			Might I propose an article collecting information on Season 2, from the commentaries and Kevin Murphy's recent interview with The Caprica Times? It should be noted that it's uncertain how canonical anything not shown in the epilogue is. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:22, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

BlueResistance: /* messenger zoe vs. zoe-A */ agreement

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messenger zoe vs. zoe-A: agreement

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	::Looks like. Although, I have to disagree with Kevin Murphy about Messenger Zoe being a misstep. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)		::Looks like. Although, I have to disagree with Kevin Murphy about Messenger Zoe being a misstep. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

			:::Agreed. I'll delete both entries. --[[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 21:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness at 15:20, 19 January 2011

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	: Agreed, it's Zoe-A there, not "Messenger Zoe." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 03:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)		: Agreed, it's Zoe-A there, not "Messenger Zoe." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 03:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

			::Looks like. Although, I have to disagree with Kevin Murphy about Messenger Zoe being a misstep. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* messenger zoe vs. zoe-A */ agreed

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messenger zoe vs. zoe-A: agreed

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	to me the evidence suggests that it was zoe-A in the cathedral. anybody agree? disagree? [[User:Pst001\|Pst001]] 02:21, 19 January 2011 (UTC)		to me the evidence suggests that it was zoe-A in the cathedral. anybody agree? disagree? [[User:Pst001\|Pst001]] 02:21, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

			: Agreed, it's Zoe-A there, not "Messenger Zoe." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 03:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Pst001: /* messenger zoe vs. zoe-A */ new section

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messenger zoe vs. zoe-A: new section

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	: Agreed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)		: Agreed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

			== messenger zoe vs. zoe-A ==

			i think this is much ado about nothing:

			*It is possible that the Zoe listening to Clarice's sermon was [[Messengers#Messenger Zoe\|Messenger Zoe]]. Given the events of ''Caprica'', especially the [[Here Be Dragons\|previous episode]] and this one, it seems unlikely that Clarice would tolerate Zoe-A's presence under any circumstances, or that that Zoe-A would allow Clarice to even suggest violence, much less preach it openly. Only a brief glimpse of Zoe is offered, so there are none of the usual indicators of a Messenger, such as others in the same space obviously ignoring the character, or a non-Messenger character having a conversation with what turns out to be air. However, it is unknown how relationships may change between the characters, and events may occur that would indeed drive Zoe-A to seek rebellion. Clarice's "prophecy" that there is one who will set the Cylons free seems to refer to Zoe.
			*Alternatively, as the congregation is otherwise entirely Cylon, the Zoe may be [[Zoe-R#Zoe-R\|Zoe-R]] (i.e, [[Zoe-A]] inhabbiting a Cylon body). The usual indicator of such an appearance - a CGI Cylon shown first in place of Zoe-R - is seen, albeit with several scene cuts in the interim. On the pew behind Zoe are a petite white Cylon and a Centurion. During the initial montage of Willow's congregation (prior to Willow's pilgrimage to [[Lacy Rand\|Mother Lacy]] on [[Gemenon]]), a Centurion is seen with a petite white Cylon and a Centurion on the pew behind it, the three in the same relative positions; additionally, the two sequences are each preceded by identical shots of a Centurion genuflecting next to a column. Zoe-A's resurrection into her skinjob body is not shown until after Zoe's appearance in the congregation.

			according to the audio commentary on "apotheosis", kevin murphy states that the messenger zoe storyline was a misstep. he also says that he has no idea why zoe - not messenger zoe - is in the cathedral. it seems likely to me, if they were to bring back a character they considered a mistake, murphy would have known why she was in the scene, or at least noted that it was her.

			furthermore, the propworx auction for the black dress - not sparkly pink dress as worn by the messenger version of zoe - worn by alessandra toressani notes what the production wrote this on the tag: "ZOE A. CATHEDRAL EP. 118 NOT ALTERED" [http://cgi.ebay.com/Caprica-Zoe-A-Cathedral-Dress-/170591721085?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b80f167d].

			to me the evidence suggests that it was zoe-A in the cathedral. anybody agree? disagree? [[User:Pst001\|Pst001]] 02:21, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Planet of the Apes references */ reply

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Planet of the Apes references: reply

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	''Escape from the Planet of the Apes'' is hardly the first, the most famous, or the most revered example of flash forward techniques. Flash forwarding is so common in storytelling that it is very unlikely the writers were paying homage to ''Apes''. Likewise, it is a stretch to suggest that the Cylon marine statue and the cat and dog statue in ''Conquest of the Planet of the Apes'' are directly related: there are many real-world statues depicting warriors in heroic action poses that are more probable sources of inspiration. --[[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 15:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)		''Escape from the Planet of the Apes'' is hardly the first, the most famous, or the most revered example of flash forward techniques. Flash forwarding is so common in storytelling that it is very unlikely the writers were paying homage to ''Apes''. Likewise, it is a stretch to suggest that the Cylon marine statue and the cat and dog statue in ''Conquest of the Planet of the Apes'' are directly related: there are many real-world statues depicting warriors in heroic action poses that are more probable sources of inspiration. --[[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 15:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

			: Agreed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

BlueResistance: /* Planet of the Apes references */

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Planet of the Apes references

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	== ''Planet of the Apes'' references ==		== ''Planet of the Apes'' references ==

	''Escape from the Planet of the Apes'' is hardly the first, the most famous, or the most revered example of flash forward techniques. Flash forwarding is so common in storytelling that it is very unlikely the writers were paying homage ''Apes''. Likewise, it is a stretch to suggest that the Cylon marine statue and the cat and dog statue in ''Conquest of the Planet of the Apes'' are directly related: there are many real-world statues depicting warriors in heroic action poses that are more probable sources of inspiration. --[[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 15:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)		''Escape from the Planet of the Apes'' is hardly the first, the most famous, or the most revered example of flash forward techniques. Flash forwarding is so common in storytelling that it is very unlikely the writers were paying homage to ''Apes''. Likewise, it is a stretch to suggest that the Cylon marine statue and the cat and dog statue in ''Conquest of the Planet of the Apes'' are directly related: there are many real-world statues depicting warriors in heroic action poses that are more probable sources of inspiration. --[[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 15:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

BlueResistance: /* Planet of the Apes references */ new section

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Planet of the Apes references: new section

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	having watched the episode a couple times now, i feel pretty confident that it is in V-world and i don't think there should be any question of whether or not it is. the V-world "blood cell" establishing shot was used prior to cutting to clarice's cathedral and clarice herself even mentions "in the real world", implying that they are in fact in the virtual world. i didn't want to just delete the material, because it is a valid question, just one that has a pretty immediate answer. so, should the question be deleted or should it be answered on the page? [[User:Pst001\|Pst001]] 04:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)		having watched the episode a couple times now, i feel pretty confident that it is in V-world and i don't think there should be any question of whether or not it is. the V-world "blood cell" establishing shot was used prior to cutting to clarice's cathedral and clarice herself even mentions "in the real world", implying that they are in fact in the virtual world. i didn't want to just delete the material, because it is a valid question, just one that has a pretty immediate answer. so, should the question be deleted or should it be answered on the page? [[User:Pst001\|Pst001]] 04:07, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
	:Delete it; the fact will show up (eventually) in the episode summary. I missed the "blood cell" transition--my access to the episode is limited for now, thanks to geography and the logic of a certain TV network. . . . [[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 05:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)		:Delete it; the fact will show up (eventually) in the episode summary. I missed the "blood cell" transition--my access to the episode is limited for now, thanks to geography and the logic of a certain TV network. . . . [[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 05:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

			== ''Planet of the Apes'' references ==

			''Escape from the Planet of the Apes'' is hardly the first, the most famous, or the most revered example of flash forward techniques. Flash forwarding is so common in storytelling that it is very unlikely the writers were paying homage ''Apes''. Likewise, it is a stretch to suggest that the Cylon marine statue and the cat and dog statue in ''Conquest of the Planet of the Apes'' are directly related: there are many real-world statues depicting warriors in heroic action poses that are more probable sources of inspiration. --[[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 15:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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	Might I propose an article collecting information on Season 2, from the commentaries and Kevin Murphy's recent interview with The Caprica Times? It should be noted that it's uncertain how canonical anything not shown in the epilogue is. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:22, 1 May 2011 (EDT)		Might I propose an article collecting information on Season 2, from the commentaries and Kevin Murphy's recent interview with The Caprica Times? It should be noted that it's uncertain how canonical anything not shown in the epilogue is. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:22, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
	: Let's do it. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:53, 1 May 2011 (EDT)		: Let's do it. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:53, 1 May 2011 (EDT)
			:: Done. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:53, 1 May 2011 (EDT)