Talk:Anastasia Dualla/Archive 1 - Revision history

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	Seeing as she is now deceased, shouldn't this article be in the past tense? [[User:Moo\|Moo]] 04:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)		Seeing as she is now deceased, shouldn't this article be in the past tense? -- [[User:Moo\|Moo]] 04:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Moo at 04:19, 1 February 2009

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	:::I disagree. Dualla was ''clearly'' communicating with Starbuck and Kat during the Raider chase in [[Hero]]. Who says that both Hoshi and Dualla cannot be communications officers aboard ship, merely on different watches? -[[User:Madbrood\|Madbrood]] 16:36, 30 December 2006 (CST)		:::I disagree. Dualla was ''clearly'' communicating with Starbuck and Kat during the Raider chase in [[Hero]]. Who says that both Hoshi and Dualla cannot be communications officers aboard ship, merely on different watches? -[[User:Madbrood\|Madbrood]] 16:36, 30 December 2006 (CST)
	::::Exactly. Also in [[A Measure of Salvation]] we can see Dualla wearing her headset (headphone & microphone) in CIC. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 06:09, 6 January 2007 (CST)		::::Exactly. Also in [[A Measure of Salvation]] we can see Dualla wearing her headset (headphone & microphone) in CIC. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 06:09, 6 January 2007 (CST)

			==Death==
			Seeing as she is now deceased, shouldn't this article be in the past tense? [[User:Moo\|Moo]] 04:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Serenity: /* Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper */ reply

2007-02-25T12:22:07Z

Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper: reply

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	:Steelviper's cleanup attempt looks good to me. In my initial post I made myself a little unclear; I didn't mean for all those references to disappear, but merely to be shortened. Present tense in biographies is just [[BW:SAC\|a convention]] here. The father issue is good analysis, though; it has been established most Saggitarons are pacifists, providing a good reason for the estrangement between Dualla and her father. I also agree that things like the Saggitarons' beliefs are relevant, but they can be told in a few words, rather than a few sentences. I hope you and Steelviper can reach a compromise. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 06:13, 25 February 2007 (CST)		:Steelviper's cleanup attempt looks good to me. In my initial post I made myself a little unclear; I didn't mean for all those references to disappear, but merely to be shortened. Present tense in biographies is just [[BW:SAC\|a convention]] here. The father issue is good analysis, though; it has been established most Saggitarons are pacifists, providing a good reason for the estrangement between Dualla and her father. I also agree that things like the Saggitarons' beliefs are relevant, but they can be told in a few words, rather than a few sentences. I hope you and Steelviper can reach a compromise. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 06:13, 25 February 2007 (CST)

			:I'd change the wording a bit for style so it sounds better, but content-wise it's generally ok. I'd briefly mention why they don't want to be treated though. Just saying "religious taboos" and linking to the religion article is fine. And no need to use words like "appear" here. She ''does'' not share Sagittaron believes and she ''does'' hate Cottle.
			:Putting the issue between her and her father in context can be done at the very start of the article, where it's mentioned first. We learned that it existed in "Final Cut" and another 1 or 2 sentences can explain the reason. And I agree that it is relevant.
			:So I agree Catrope, that we don't need to drop all those points. It's just unnecessary to tell everything in such detail. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 06:22, 25 February 2007 (CST)

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Catrope: /* Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper */ reply

2007-02-25T12:13:05Z

Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper: reply

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	**Perhaps that is okay but I do think it is a separate issue mostly since she obviously doesn't have an issue with modern medicine but seem to have a personal approbation against him. Her animosity toward Cottle does come into play regarding the Sagittaron issue in that it put her in the clutches of a serial killer that believes her people should be wiped out save but a few "good" ones.		**Perhaps that is okay but I do think it is a separate issue mostly since she obviously doesn't have an issue with modern medicine but seem to have a personal approbation against him. Her animosity toward Cottle does come into play regarding the Sagittaron issue in that it put her in the clutches of a serial killer that believes her people should be wiped out save but a few "good" ones.
	**I guess the basic issue is whether how do you see the role of the biographical articles about the characters. Do you construct it strictly only by episode in a strict recital of facts and never refer back to previous episode points, constructing the article like individual components in isolation with each other or do you have it flow like a real biography of a real person? I guess my view is more of the latter. As I said above I treat the characters of BSG as real persons who experiences are not in isolation from each other. I think real life biographies of real persons are constructed like that. Their college "episode" may have an affect on their politics "episode" which has an effect on there family "episode" or visa versa, shedding light on previous events and not in isolation. I think if you read a biography about Abe Lincoln it would probably refer to an incident he had as say a young corporate lawyer that had an affect on his political views and his Presidency. BSG is a very character driven show and "The Woman King" happens to be a particularly character driven episode. What happens to a character in one episode may give insight on what happened to that character or what we learned from him/her in another previous one. In this case I don't think it is so out of bounds to speculate that the beliefs of her father were in conflict with the beliefs of the daughter as we found out in "[[Final Cut]]" in light of what we found out about her people's beliefs and her attitude toward her people in "The Woman King". Should we just report these facts without comment or do we delve into how these new revelations may shed light on her relationship with her parents? I believe the latter. I understand the more regimental structure of the episode summaries, but for the character bios I think a more nuanced less sterile "Lego block" construction of them is desirable. [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 04:37, 25 February 2007 (CST)		**I guess the basic issue is whether how do you see the role of the biographical articles about the characters. Do you construct it strictly only by episode in a strict recital of facts and never refer back to previous episode points, constructing the article like individual components in isolation with each other or do you have it flow like a real biography of a real person? I guess my view is more of the latter. As I said above I treat the characters of BSG as real persons who experiences are not in isolation from each other. I think real life biographies of real persons are constructed like that. Their college "episode" may have an affect on their politics "episode" which has an effect on there family "episode" or visa versa, shedding light on previous events and not in isolation. I think if you read a biography about Abe Lincoln it would probably refer to an incident he had as say a young corporate lawyer that had an affect on his political views and his Presidency. BSG is a very character driven show and "The Woman King" happens to be a particularly character driven episode. What happens to a character in one episode may give insight on what happened to that character or what we learned from him/her in another previous one. In this case I don't think it is so out of bounds to speculate that the beliefs of her father were in conflict with the beliefs of the daughter as we found out in "[[Final Cut]]" in light of what we found out about her people's beliefs and her attitude toward her people in "The Woman King". Should we just report these facts without comment or do we delve into how these new revelations may shed light on her relationship with her parents? I believe the latter. I understand the more regimental structure of the episode summaries, but for the character bios I think a more nuanced less sterile "Lego block" construction of them is desirable. [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 04:37, 25 February 2007 (CST)

			:Steelviper's cleanup attempt looks good to me. In my initial post I made myself a little unclear; I didn't mean for all those references to disappear, but merely to be shortened. Present tense in biographies is just [[BW:SAC\|a convention]] here. The father issue is good analysis, though; it has been established most Saggitarons are pacifists, providing a good reason for the estrangement between Dualla and her father. I also agree that things like the Saggitarons' beliefs are relevant, but they can be told in a few words, rather than a few sentences. I hope you and Steelviper can reach a compromise. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 06:13, 25 February 2007 (CST)

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Hunter2005: /* Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper */ forgot to sign

2007-02-25T10:37:16Z

Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper: forgot to sign

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	**I partly agree and removed the 300 figure for the mass of the refugees, but kept the 51 figure.		**I partly agree and removed the 300 figure for the mass of the refugees, but kept the 51 figure.
	* I'm not sure if it's precisely established whether they brought it aboard themselves, already had it, etc. Best not to even mention it here.		* I'm not sure if it's precisely established whether they brought it aboard themselves, already had it, etc. Best not to even mention it here.
	**Yes it was established. Roberts and Helo's comments at the end of the teaser strongly suggest this. It was also indicated in Act 1 with Adama's meeting with his department heads. No mention of the illness was mentioned prior to either scene. It was only after the refugees were disembarking from the Threa Sita and they were being sorted out and Roberts were attempting to treat them was it ever mentioned. This very strongly suggest the refugees brought it over with them. Is this beyond a total doubt? No, but I think it is beyond a reasonable one.		**Yes it was established. Roberts and Helo's comments at the end of the teaser strongly suggest this. It was also indicated in Act 1 with Adama's meeting with his department heads. No mention of the illness was mentioned prior to either scene. It was only after the refugees were disembarking from the ''[[Threa Sita]]'' and they were being sorted out and Roberts were attempting to treat them was it ever mentioned. This very strongly suggest the refugees brought it over with them. Is this beyond a total doubt? No, but I think it is beyond a reasonable one.
	* The specifics of the drug, needed to treat it, etc., aren't as important here, but we can link to it.		* The specifics of the drug, needed to treat it, etc., aren't as important here, but we can link to it.
	**Well, I think the fact that the lives of some of the refugees were endangered despite an obvious cure is relevant. In contrast to her people, Dee was prepared to take it, again showing the rift between her people and perhaps between her and her parents views.		**Well, I think the fact that the lives of some of the refugees were endangered despite an obvious cure is relevant. In contrast to her people, Dee was prepared to take it, again showing the rift between her people and perhaps between her and her parents views.
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	* Pulled Cottle issues into paragraph.		* Pulled Cottle issues into paragraph.
	**Perhaps that is okay but I do think it is a separate issue mostly since she obviously doesn't have an issue with modern medicine but seem to have a personal approbation against him. Her animosity toward Cottle does come into play regarding the Sagittaron issue in that it put her in the clutches of a serial killer that believes her people should be wiped out save but a few "good" ones.		**Perhaps that is okay but I do think it is a separate issue mostly since she obviously doesn't have an issue with modern medicine but seem to have a personal approbation against him. Her animosity toward Cottle does come into play regarding the Sagittaron issue in that it put her in the clutches of a serial killer that believes her people should be wiped out save but a few "good" ones.
	**I guess the basic issue is whether how do you see the role of the biographical articles about the characters. Do you construct it strictly only by episode in a strict recital of facts and never refer back to previous episode points, constructing the article like individual components in isolation with each other or do you have it flow like a real biography of a real person? I guess my view is more of the latter. As I said above I treat the characters of BSG as real persons who experiences are not in isolation from each other. I think real life biographies of real persons are constructed like that. Their college "episode" may have an affect on their politics "episode" which has an effect on there family "episode" or visa versa, shedding light on previous events and not in isolation. I think if you read a biography about Abe Lincoln it would probably refer to an incident he had as say a young corporate lawyer that had an affect on his political views and his Presidency. BSG is a very character driven show and "The Woman King" happens to be a particularly character driven episode. What happens to a character in one episode may give insight on what happened to that character or what we learned from him/her in another previous one. In this case I don't think it is so out of bounds to speculate that the beliefs of her father were in conflict with the beliefs of the daughter as we found out in "[[Final Cut]]" in light of what we found out about her people's beliefs and her attitude toward her people in "The Woman King". Should we just report these facts without comment or do we delve into how these new revelations may shed light on her relationship with her parents? I believe the latter. I understand the more regimental structure of the episode summaries, but for the character bios I think a more nuanced less sterile "Lego block" construction of them is desirable.		**I guess the basic issue is whether how do you see the role of the biographical articles about the characters. Do you construct it strictly only by episode in a strict recital of facts and never refer back to previous episode points, constructing the article like individual components in isolation with each other or do you have it flow like a real biography of a real person? I guess my view is more of the latter. As I said above I treat the characters of BSG as real persons who experiences are not in isolation from each other. I think real life biographies of real persons are constructed like that. Their college "episode" may have an affect on their politics "episode" which has an effect on there family "episode" or visa versa, shedding light on previous events and not in isolation. I think if you read a biography about Abe Lincoln it would probably refer to an incident he had as say a young corporate lawyer that had an affect on his political views and his Presidency. BSG is a very character driven show and "The Woman King" happens to be a particularly character driven episode. What happens to a character in one episode may give insight on what happened to that character or what we learned from him/her in another previous one. In this case I don't think it is so out of bounds to speculate that the beliefs of her father were in conflict with the beliefs of the daughter as we found out in "[[Final Cut]]" in light of what we found out about her people's beliefs and her attitude toward her people in "The Woman King". Should we just report these facts without comment or do we delve into how these new revelations may shed light on her relationship with her parents? I believe the latter. I understand the more regimental structure of the episode summaries, but for the character bios I think a more nuanced less sterile "Lego block" construction of them is desirable. [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 04:37, 25 February 2007 (CST)

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Hunter2005: /* Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper */answer to steelviper

2007-02-25T10:06:02Z

Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper: answer to steelviper

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	That's my first cut at "concising" it. I agree that sometimes the "Concision Fairies" can go too far, but redundancy, in general, should be avoided. Let the articles that you link to do the detail work. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 22:13, 24 February 2007 (CST)		That's my first cut at "concising" it. I agree that sometimes the "Concision Fairies" can go too far, but redundancy, in general, should be avoided. Let the articles that you link to do the detail work. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 22:13, 24 February 2007 (CST)

			:Again, let me attack this point by point:

			* Present tense for episodic events.
			**I don't know if this is appropriate for a biography of a character who I believe should be treated like a real person. People's lives in real life is not constructed in such a matter why should the lives of the characters of the show should be treated as if time hasn't past?
			* Killed mention of her recovery as it will be mentioned again later.
			**I guess I agree with that and have myself removed the second reference.
			* Exact number of all the refugees not terribly important.
			**I partly agree and removed the 300 figure for the mass of the refugees, but kept the 51 figure.
			* I'm not sure if it's precisely established whether they brought it aboard themselves, already had it, etc. Best not to even mention it here.
			**Yes it was established. Roberts and Helo's comments at the end of the teaser strongly suggest this. It was also indicated in Act 1 with Adama's meeting with his department heads. No mention of the illness was mentioned prior to either scene. It was only after the refugees were disembarking from the Threa Sita and they were being sorted out and Roberts were attempting to treat them was it ever mentioned. This very strongly suggest the refugees brought it over with them. Is this beyond a total doubt? No, but I think it is beyond a reasonable one.
			* The specifics of the drug, needed to treat it, etc., aren't as important here, but we can link to it.
			**Well, I think the fact that the lives of some of the refugees were endangered despite an obvious cure is relevant. In contrast to her people, Dee was prepared to take it, again showing the rift between her people and perhaps between her and her parents views.
			* Made the prejudice discussion tighter.
			**Okay.
			* Tightened up the doctor part.
			**Okay, but not too tight since there was the question of Dee's life being in danger due to the doctor and his views.
			* Tightened up rescue.
			**Okay.
			* Moved renunciation up higher.
			**Maybe.
			* Pulled parental issue speculation.
			**Again I think this is the heart of the episode concerning Dee. I think it is perfectly legitimate to speculate on how the views of her people and Dee's views may shed some light as to why she and her father became estranged since Dee likely represents everything her father was against. I didn't say for '''''certain''''' this is true, but it is worth mentioning. The Sagittaron refugees brings about this issue.
			* Pulled Cottle issues into paragraph.
			**Perhaps that is okay but I do think it is a separate issue mostly since she obviously doesn't have an issue with modern medicine but seem to have a personal approbation against him. Her animosity toward Cottle does come into play regarding the Sagittaron issue in that it put her in the clutches of a serial killer that believes her people should be wiped out save but a few "good" ones.
			**I guess the basic issue is whether how do you see the role of the biographical articles about the characters. Do you construct it strictly only by episode in a strict recital of facts and never refer back to previous episode points, constructing the article like individual components in isolation with each other or do you have it flow like a real biography of a real person? I guess my view is more of the latter. As I said above I treat the characters of BSG as real persons who experiences are not in isolation from each other. I think real life biographies of real persons are constructed like that. Their college "episode" may have an affect on their politics "episode" which has an effect on there family "episode" or visa versa, shedding light on previous events and not in isolation. I think if you read a biography about Abe Lincoln it would probably refer to an incident he had as say a young corporate lawyer that had an affect on his political views and his Presidency. BSG is a very character driven show and "The Woman King" happens to be a particularly character driven episode. What happens to a character in one episode may give insight on what happened to that character or what we learned from him/her in another previous one. In this case I don't think it is so out of bounds to speculate that the beliefs of her father were in conflict with the beliefs of the daughter as we found out in "[[Final Cut]]" in light of what we found out about her people's beliefs and her attitude toward her people in "The Woman King". Should we just report these facts without comment or do we delve into how these new revelations may shed light on her relationship with her parents? I believe the latter. I understand the more regimental structure of the episode summaries, but for the character bios I think a more nuanced less sterile "Lego block" construction of them is desirable.

	== Role ==		== Role ==

Steelviper: /* Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper */ + Cottle issues

2007-02-25T04:26:09Z

Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper: + Cottle issues

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	Here's a stab at some cleanup, with some notes that I'll make as I make the changes below:		Here's a stab at some cleanup, with some notes that I'll make as I make the changes below:

	Dualla contracts [[Mellorak infection\|Mellorak Sickness]] from contact with some of the refugees of the ''[[Threa Sita]]''. Among them are 51 of her fellow [[Sagittaron]]s. Most of the Sagittarons refuse to be [[Bittamucin\|treated]], allowing the disease to spread and further fueling the prejudice against them. (A prejudice that Dualla herself claims to understand, as she does not appear to share all of the beliefs of her fellow colonists.) The [[Michael Robert\|civilian doctor]], though ostensibly treating them, surreptitiously kills a few via lethal injection to prevent them from depleting scare resources. Captain [[Karl Agathon]], discovers the doctor's plot and attempts to rescue Dualla. However, it turns out that the doctor has actually treated her, believing her to be an exception due to her military ~~duty~~ ([[The Woman King]]).		Dualla contracts [[Mellorak infection\|Mellorak Sickness]] from contact with some of the refugees of the ''[[Threa Sita]]''. Among them are 51 of her fellow [[Sagittaron]]s. Most of the Sagittarons refuse to be [[Bittamucin\|treated]], allowing the disease to spread and further fueling the prejudice against them. (A prejudice that Dualla herself claims to understand, as she does not appear to share all of the beliefs of her fellow colonists.) The [[Michael Robert\|civilian doctor]], though ostensibly treating them, surreptitiously kills a few via lethal injection to prevent them from depleting scare resources. Captain [[Karl Agathon]], discovers the doctor's plot and attempts to rescue Dualla. However, it turns out that the doctor has actually treated her, believing her to be an exception due to her military service. Dualla chose to be treated by the civilian doctor as she appears to have some issues with Doc [[Cottle]] ([[The Woman King]]).

	* Present tense for episodic events.		* Present tense for episodic events.
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	* Pulled parental issue speculation.		* Pulled parental issue speculation.
	* Episode citation inside of period.		* Episode citation inside of period.
			* Pulled Cottle issues into paragraph.

	That's my first cut at "concising" it. I agree that sometimes the "Concision Fairies" can go too far, but redundancy, in general, should be avoided. Let the articles that you link to do the detail work. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 22:13, 24 February 2007 (CST)		That's my first cut at "concising" it. I agree that sometimes the "Concision Fairies" can go too far, but redundancy, in general, should be avoided. Let the articles that you link to do the detail work. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 22:13, 24 February 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: /* Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper */ too many brackets

2007-02-25T04:14:18Z

Cleanup Attempt by Steelviper: too many brackets

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	Dualla contracts [[Mellorak infection\|Mellorak Sickness]] from contact with some of the refugees of the ''[[Threa Sita]]''. Among them are 51 of her fellow [[Sagittaron]]s. Most of the Sagittarons refuse to be [[Bittamucin\|treated]], allowing the disease to spread and further fueling the prejudice against them. (A prejudice that Dualla herself claims to understand, as she does not appear to share all of the beliefs of her fellow colonists.) The [[[[Michael Robert\|civilian doctor]], though ostensibly treating them, surreptitiously kills a few via lethal injection to prevent them from depleting scare resources. Captain [[Karl Agathon]], discovers the doctor's plot and attempts to rescue Dualla. However, it turns out that the doctor has actually treated her, believing her to be an exception due to her military duty ([[The Woman King]]).		Dualla contracts [[Mellorak infection\|Mellorak Sickness]] from contact with some of the refugees of the ''[[Threa Sita]]''. Among them are 51 of her fellow [[Sagittaron]]s. Most of the Sagittarons refuse to be [[Bittamucin\|treated]], allowing the disease to spread and further fueling the prejudice against them. (A prejudice that Dualla herself claims to understand, as she does not appear to share all of the beliefs of her fellow colonists.) The [[Michael Robert\|civilian doctor]], though ostensibly treating them, surreptitiously kills a few via lethal injection to prevent them from depleting scare resources. Captain [[Karl Agathon]], discovers the doctor's plot and attempts to rescue Dualla. However, it turns out that the doctor has actually treated her, believing her to be an exception due to her military duty ([[The Woman King]]).

	* Present tense for episodic events.		* Present tense for episodic events.

Steelviper: /* Cleanup */ + suggested concision, etc take

2007-02-25T04:13:42Z

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 **Now I now I am a little wordy when I write and I will strive to do better and to be more concise, but at times going into detail is not only reasonable but critical. Dee's people coming on board Galactica and her and her crewmates reaction to them and her coming down with the illness with a doctor who could had killed her because of what she was is relevant to the life of Anastasia Dualla and should be mentioned in some detail in a biography about her. Yes, this is not summary of "The Woman King". I didn't "recap the whole episode" as Serenity wildly claims and the fact I left 70% of it out proves that. I didn't mention the meeting of C-Six and Athena did I? No, not relevant. I didn't mention the meeting between Tom Zarak and Roslin did I? No, not relevant. I didn't even mention Mrs. King's fight for her son, nor details of Helo's investigation, neither was very relevant, nor was the department head meetings with Admiral Adama and Helo's confession, so I think it is grossly unfair to characterize my providing relevant detail concerning Dee as a summary of the episode.
 ** I recognize the need to be concise but if that is all you are going to shoot for in an article you will loose more in the end. Yes sometimes "Less is more" but sometimes less is just....less. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 20:13, 24 February 2007 (CST)
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	Moore: I think she has. I think that's something that happened in the year off and I think that essentially so many people left ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' that they really are on skeleton crews and, y'know, somebody like Dualla that went to ''Pegasus'' to be with Lee, presumably, and we'll deal more with— we have episodes that deal more with the circumstances of that in season three, and how that happened and why, but the idea was she essentially went over there and more people kept leaving and leaving, and Lee made her the XO.		Moore: I think she has. I think that's something that happened in the year off and I think that essentially so many people left ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' that they really are on skeleton crews and, y'know, somebody like Dualla that went to ''Pegasus'' to be with Lee, presumably, and we'll deal more with— we have episodes that deal more with the circumstances of that in season three, and how that happened and why, but the idea was she essentially went over there and more people kept leaving and leaving, and Lee made her the XO.

	I think this is pretty clear, given the source, so we can probably get rid of "presumed" from the succession box. I do want to point out that she'd pretty much have to be a captain or higher to be in the XO position (Captain Aaron Kelly filled in as XO while Tigh was in command). For Dualla to go from PO2 (E-5) to Captain (O-4) in a year would demand both a very fast series of promotions, and a very high rate of attrition within the officer ranks. I don't think it's ''completely'' implausible, but it's hard to imagine that ''Pegasus'' didn't have a single officer left with any command competence. It's also probably not good military practice to have one's significant other in a directly subordinate position, but Dualla's strong willed enough (c.f. Home, Part I) that it's probably not a huge problem. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:56, 24 March 2006 (CST)		I think this is pretty clear, given the source, so we can probably get rid of "presumed" from the succession box. I do want to point out that she'd pretty much have to be a captain or higher to be in the XO position (Captain Aaron Kelly filled in as XO while Tigh was in command). For Dualla to go from PO2 (E-5) to Captain (O-4) in a year would demand both a very fast series of promotions, and a very high rate of attrition within the officer ranks. I don't think it's ''completely'' implausible, but it's hard to imagine that ''Pegasus'' didn't have a single officer left with any command competence. It's also probably not good military practice to have one's significant other in a directly subordinate position, but Dualla's strong willed enough (c.f. Home, Part I) that it's probably not a huge problem. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:56, 24 March 2006 (CST)
	:Yeah. That is pretty clear that we can get rid of '''presumed'''. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 17:21, 24 March 2006 (CST)		:Yeah. That is pretty clear that we can get rid of '''presumed'''. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 17:21, 24 March 2006 (CST)
	:If normal military protocol were still being strictly followed, you'd be right about the promotions and the relationship issues. However, this is no longer a remotely normal situation. One of the interesting differences between Original Series protocol and RDM Series protocol is that the Original Series treated battlestars like fiefdoms, and it was perfectly normal for Adama and Cain to have their children serving with them; like a feudal lord, Adama was both a military and a civilian leader (he was on the Quorom at the same time as being Commander of ''Galactica''). At the outset, the RDM Series was modeling Colonial military protocol on US protocol -- strict separation of military and civilian concerns, and civilian control of the military, even ''in extremis''. That disciplined, constitutional and republican (small 'r' deliberate) approach now appears to be breaking down because it's increasingly impractical to enforce.--[[User:UncleMikey\|Uncle Mikey]] 11:35, 25 March 2006 (CST)		:If normal military protocol were still being strictly followed, you'd be right about the promotions and the relationship issues. However, this is no longer a remotely normal situation. One of the interesting differences between Original Series protocol and RDM Series protocol is that the Original Series treated battlestars like fiefdoms, and it was perfectly normal for Adama and Cain to have their children serving with them; like a feudal lord, Adama was both a military and a civilian leader (he was on the Quorom at the same time as being Commander of ''Galactica''). At the outset, the RDM Series was modeling Colonial military protocol on US protocol -- strict separation of military and civilian concerns, and civilian control of the military, even ''in extremis''. That disciplined, constitutional and republican (small 'r' deliberate) approach now appears to be breaking down because it's increasingly impractical to enforce.--[[User:UncleMikey\|Uncle Mikey]] 11:35, 25 March 2006 (CST)

	::Still, isn't it odd that Bill Adama had at least two officers serving under him (Tigh and Helo) while Lee had to promote an enlisted crewman to be his XO? I would think the most appropriate way to distribute personnel would have been for Bill to loan Helo to Lee. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 12:25, 25 March 2006 (CST)		::Still, isn't it odd that Bill Adama had at least two officers serving under him (Tigh and Helo) while Lee had to promote an enlisted crewman to be his XO? I would think the most appropriate way to distribute personnel would have been for Bill to loan Helo to Lee. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 12:25, 25 March 2006 (CST)
	:::Alot can happen in a year. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 25 March 2006 (CST)		:::Alot can happen in a year. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 25 March 2006 (CST)
	:::I haven't seen the eps yet (insert usual excuses here) but my impression was that Tigh went planetside. Really, of the people we '''know''' are officers, there aren't very many left (except on the technicality that all pilots, however green, are officers). Which is one of the things that's going to make S3 interesting -- all the old relationships are really totally jumbled up, now, and a lot of the people Adama had come to depend upon are no longer available to him. Setting aside the rest of the fleet for the moment, Adama has taken Galactica out to sea (as it were) without his senior CPO, who was also the best mechanic and manager of mechanics available (Tyrol), along with at least some of the flight deck crew; without trusted bridge officers like Tigh and Gaeta; and without trusted pilots like Thrace and his son (albeit the latter for different reasons). Unless there was some degree of conscription/coercion involved (not my impression), he's left with a purely voluntary corps who are still on board not because of their skills or specialties, but because of their scepticism in the viability of New Caprica and/or their dedication to the idea that New Caprica still needs a defence.--[[User:UncleMikey\|Uncle Mikey]] 12:43, 25 March 2006 (CST)		:::I haven't seen the eps yet (insert usual excuses here) but my impression was that Tigh went planetside. Really, of the people we '''know''' are officers, there aren't very many left (except on the technicality that all pilots, however green, are officers). Which is one of the things that's going to make S3 interesting -- all the old relationships are really totally jumbled up, now, and a lot of the people Adama had come to depend upon are no longer available to him. Setting aside the rest of the fleet for the moment, Adama has taken Galactica out to sea (as it were) without his senior CPO, who was also the best mechanic and manager of mechanics available (Tyrol), along with at least some of the flight deck crew; without trusted bridge officers like Tigh and Gaeta; and without trusted pilots like Thrace and his son (albeit the latter for different reasons). Unless there was some degree of conscription/coercion involved (not my impression), he's left with a purely voluntary corps who are still on board not because of their skills or specialties, but because of their scepticism in the viability of New Caprica and/or their dedication to the idea that New Caprica still needs a defence.--[[User:UncleMikey\|Uncle Mikey]] 12:43, 25 March 2006 (CST)
	::::Tigh only went planetside during the scenes we saw, so he was with the fleet for a full year before then. I'm not trying to have an argument about the merits of the writing, which I don't think are in question; I'm just pointing out that it's a little bit weird. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 12:47, 25 March 2006 (CST		::::Tigh only went planetside during the scenes we saw, so he was with the fleet for a full year before then. I'm not trying to have an argument about the merits of the writing, which I don't think are in question; I'm just pointing out that it's a little bit weird. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 12:47, 25 March 2006 (CST
	:::::OK, then I agree, it's a little odd. Since we're apparently going to get at least some of the gaps filled in, hopefully we'll get to see the thought process behind the staffing decisions.--[[User:UncleMikey\|Uncle Mikey]] 12:51, 25 March 2006 (CST)		:::::OK, then I agree, it's a little odd. Since we're apparently going to get at least some of the gaps filled in, hopefully we'll get to see the thought process behind the staffing decisions.--[[User:UncleMikey\|Uncle Mikey]] 12:51, 25 March 2006 (CST)

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	==Rank==		==Rank==
	Merv, what was your source when you updated her rank to "Lieutenant"? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 14:26, 9 April 2006 (CDT)		Merv, what was your source when you updated her rank to "Lieutenant"? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 14:26, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
	:She's wearing an officer's [[uniform]]. In retrospect, yes, I'm not sure if she's a Lieutenant (or Lieutenant Junior Grade) or the rarely used Ensign rank. We need to see a closeup of her rank insignia. However, Lieutenant seemed the most probable, and it is Gaeta's rank when he does a similar job. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 14:46, 9 April 2006 (CDT)		:She's wearing an officer's [[uniform]]. In retrospect, yes, I'm not sure if she's a Lieutenant (or Lieutenant Junior Grade) or the rarely used Ensign rank. We need to see a closeup of her rank insignia. However, Lieutenant seemed the most probable, and it is Gaeta's rank when he does a similar job. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 14:46, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
	:: Well, if you're not sure, we should just remove the Lieutenant reference until we get confirmation, don't you think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:06, 9 April 2006 (CDT)		:: Well, if you're not sure, we should just remove the Lieutenant reference until we get confirmation, don't you think? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:06, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
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	:::So yeah, they called her lieutenant. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 15:10, 9 April 2006 (CDT)		:::So yeah, they called her lieutenant. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 15:10, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
	:::: Cool. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:12, 9 April 2006 (CDT)		:::: Cool. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:12, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
	:::: Excellent. Thanks for the source. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:59, 9 April 2006 (CDT)		:::: Excellent. Thanks for the source. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:59, 9 April 2006 (CDT)
	:Her rank insignia both in the wikipage photo and during Exodus II is "Lieutenant Junior Grade." As for her being addressed as "Lieutenant," that term is used both in ''Galactica'' and in the US regardless of whether addressing a full or junior-grade lieutenant--ref. Boomer (?) in Mini & season 1. Similarly, no one called Cain "Rear Admiral" except Adama when specifically discussing her promotion from Commander. I've changed Dee's infobox - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 08:48, 26 October 2006 (CDT)		:Her rank insignia both in the wikipage photo and during Exodus II is "Lieutenant Junior Grade." As for her being addressed as "Lieutenant," that term is used both in ''Galactica'' and in the US regardless of whether addressing a full or junior-grade lieutenant--ref. Boomer (?) in Mini & season 1. Similarly, no one called Cain "Rear Admiral" except Adama when specifically discussing her promotion from Commander. I've changed Dee's infobox - [[User:Keithustus\|Keithustus]] 08:48, 26 October 2006 (CDT)