Talk:A Measure of Salvation/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	Er, well, the last time Gaeta saw Baltar, he gave him a gun and told him his last chance at redemption was to stop Three from setting off the nuke. Given that the nuke didn't go off, it isn't unreasonable to believe Baltar was successful, and that in succeeding he would have either died or been stranded on New Caprica. --[[User:Saforrest\|Saforrest]] 02:50, 13 November 2006 (CST)		Er, well, the last time Gaeta saw Baltar, he gave him a gun and told him his last chance at redemption was to stop Three from setting off the nuke. Given that the nuke didn't go off, it isn't unreasonable to believe Baltar was successful, and that in succeeding he would have either died or been stranded on New Caprica. --[[User:Saforrest\|Saforrest]] 02:50, 13 November 2006 (CST)

	:Gaeta knew that he was chummy with the Cylons. For him to convince them not to detonate the nuke (not hard, given that it would be at best a symbolic gesture) and still make it off the planet alive is well within the realm of possibility. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 02:56, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:Gaeta knew that he was chummy with the Cylons. For him to convince them not to detonate the nuke (not hard, given that it would be at best a symbolic gesture) and still make it off the planet alive is well within the realm of possibility. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 02:56, 13 November 2006 (CST)

	==A quick battle==		==A quick battle==
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	== Battle Article ==		== Battle Article ==
	Does the little skirmish deserve a "Battle of NCD2539" article? --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 17:57, 17 November 2006 (CST)		Does the little skirmish deserve a "Battle of NCD2539" article? --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 17:57, 17 November 2006 (CST)
	:Sure. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 15:49, 19 November 2006 (CST)		:Sure. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 15:49, 19 November 2006 (CST)

	== Virus "Discussion" ==		== Virus "Discussion" ==
	Wouldn't the majority of this "discussion" fit in the [[Life sciences in the Re-imagined Series		Wouldn't the majority of this "discussion" fit in the [[Life sciences in the Re-imagined Series
	]] article? Would make the episode article much neater. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 18:10, 17 November 2006 (CST)		]] article? Would make the episode article much neater. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 18:10, 17 November 2006 (CST)
	:Why is it beyond everyone to just admit that the medical technobabble was complete BS? There's no profit to be found in coming up with excuses for it. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 15:24, 19 November 2006 (CST)		:Why is it beyond everyone to just admit that the medical technobabble was complete BS? There's no profit to be found in coming up with excuses for it. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 15:24, 19 November 2006 (CST)

	== I don't get it. ==		== I don't get it. ==

Dogger55: /* Some Poor Writing */

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Some Poor Writing

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	:: That's an interesting question -- one that I had myself, actually. Even if the effort didn't destroy the Cylon race (and I think that goal is overly optimistic), the virus would have given a serious blow to the Cylons, which would only serve to give the survivors more breathing room -- not to metion the increase in general morale, which the survivors seriously need after the farce at New Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)		:: That's an interesting question -- one that I had myself, actually. Even if the effort didn't destroy the Cylon race (and I think that goal is overly optimistic), the virus would have given a serious blow to the Cylons, which would only serve to give the survivors more breathing room -- not to metion the increase in general morale, which the survivors seriously need after the farce at New Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)

			:::Agreed, Joe. It would also act as a deterrence to future Cylon attacks. If the Cylons know that the Colonials can unleash a holocaust whenever they get in range, they might be inclined to stop chasing the Fleet. Since that scenario (as well as Cylon extinction) would eliminate all drama from the show, it's not surprising that the writers decided to let the Cylons live. [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 15:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

	I would have to agree the writing is poor. The series seems to be drifting from its roots and moving into the Hollywood PC political statement world. This season has already thrown in suicide bombing and implied it was acceptable, now there is a drift into making political statements about biological weapons (even though nuclear weapons have been freely used in the past.) It seems the writers are abandoning their science fiction roots and reaching to make their own personal social or political commentary. I do hope they get back to what I considered truly exceptional science fiction and stop these editorials.--[[User:GeorgeW\|GeorgeW]] 00:06, 12 November 2006 (CST)		I would have to agree the writing is poor. The series seems to be drifting from its roots and moving into the Hollywood PC political statement world. This season has already thrown in suicide bombing and implied it was acceptable, now there is a drift into making political statements about biological weapons (even though nuclear weapons have been freely used in the past.) It seems the writers are abandoning their science fiction roots and reaching to make their own personal social or political commentary. I do hope they get back to what I considered truly exceptional science fiction and stop these editorials.--[[User:GeorgeW\|GeorgeW]] 00:06, 12 November 2006 (CST)

AlexMcpherson: /* VFX Gaffe */ new section

2010-05-29T20:59:18Z

VFX Gaffe: new section

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	: There are births and deaths that happen off-screen outside of the main narrative. Hence the variation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)		: There are births and deaths that happen off-screen outside of the main narrative. Hence the variation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
	:: Okay, so it IS unaccounted for, but that's normal. Just trying to keep track of all the parallel plots. Thanks, Joe. [[User:Eje211\|Eje211]] 16:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)		:: Okay, so it IS unaccounted for, but that's normal. Just trying to keep track of all the parallel plots. Thanks, Joe. [[User:Eje211\|Eje211]] 16:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

			== VFX Gaffe ==

			When the Galactica's raptor is about to enter the tunnel thing... Watch the port wing as it passes by a raider... wait no... it passed THROUGH. Clipping....

			Bit of an "Oops" on the CG guys' part. [[User:AlexMcpherson\|AlexMcpherson]] 20:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Eje211: /* Survivor count */

2010-01-31T16:21:10Z

Survivor count

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	Question: the survivor count is 41,420 in this episode and 41,421 in ''Hero'', the next one. But I've just seen this episode and I don't remember anyone being born or rescued. What accounts for the extra survivor? {{unsigned\|Eje211}}		Question: the survivor count is 41,420 in this episode and 41,421 in ''Hero'', the next one. But I've just seen this episode and I don't remember anyone being born or rescued. What accounts for the extra survivor? {{unsigned\|Eje211}}
	: There are births and deaths that happen off-screen outside of the main narrative. Hence the variation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)		: There are births and deaths that happen off-screen outside of the main narrative. Hence the variation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
			:: Okay, so it IS unaccounted for, but that's normal. Just trying to keep track of all the parallel plots. Thanks, Joe. [[User:Eje211\|Eje211]] 16:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Survivor count */ reply

2010-01-31T16:00:15Z

Survivor count: reply

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	== Survivor count ==		== Survivor count ==

	Question: the survivor count is 41,420 in this episode and 41,421 in ''Hero'', the next one. But I've just seen this episode and I don't remember anyone being born or rescued. What accounts for the extra survivor?		Question: the survivor count is 41,420 in this episode and 41,421 in ''Hero'', the next one. But I've just seen this episode and I don't remember anyone being born or rescued. What accounts for the extra survivor? {{unsigned\|Eje211}}
			: There are births and deaths that happen off-screen outside of the main narrative. Hence the variation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Eje211: /* Survivor count */ new section

2010-01-31T15:57:48Z

Survivor count: new section

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	* The point is that all the away team was on an alien spaceship and didn't wear spacesuits. It doesn't make sense. You can recall that when Boomer got out of the Raptor into the basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), she wore a spacesuit (at least in the beginning). --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 10:14, 23 February 2007 (CST)		* The point is that all the away team was on an alien spaceship and didn't wear spacesuits. It doesn't make sense. You can recall that when Boomer got out of the Raptor into the basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), she wore a spacesuit (at least in the beginning). --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 10:14, 23 February 2007 (CST)
	: Two points. The boarding of the basestar didn't take place immediately following "Torn" (the episode where she and Racetrack ran into the dying basestar at the Lion's Head). It is clearly implied that Racetrack and Athena reported back to Adama on ''Galactica'', who then ordered the expedition team. As for the spacesuits, it is likely that they determined that they didn't need spacesuits as the ship had atmosphere. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 10:30, 23 February 2007 (CST)		: Two points. The boarding of the basestar didn't take place immediately following "Torn" (the episode where she and Racetrack ran into the dying basestar at the Lion's Head). It is clearly implied that Racetrack and Athena reported back to Adama on ''Galactica'', who then ordered the expedition team. As for the spacesuits, it is likely that they determined that they didn't need spacesuits as the ship had atmosphere. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 10:30, 23 February 2007 (CST)

			== Survivor count ==

			Question: the survivor count is 41,420 in this episode and 41,421 in ''Hero'', the next one. But I've just seen this episode and I don't remember anyone being born or rescued. What accounts for the extra survivor?

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Athena not wearing a spacesuit */ reply

2007-02-23T16:30:29Z

Athena not wearing a spacesuit: reply

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	* (Athena was in a Raptor on recon; most of the boarding team were not in flight suits since they weren't the defacto pilots on mission) -- Spencerian's edit.		* (Athena was in a Raptor on recon; most of the boarding team were not in flight suits since they weren't the defacto pilots on mission) -- Spencerian's edit.
	* The point is that all the away team was on an alien spaceship and didn't wear spacesuits. It doesn't make sense. You can recall that when Boomer got out of the Raptor into the basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), she wore a spacesuit (at least in the beginning). --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 10:14, 23 February 2007 (CST)		* The point is that all the away team was on an alien spaceship and didn't wear spacesuits. It doesn't make sense. You can recall that when Boomer got out of the Raptor into the basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), she wore a spacesuit (at least in the beginning). --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 10:14, 23 February 2007 (CST)
			: Two points. The boarding of the basestar didn't take place immediately following "Torn" (the episode where she and Racetrack ran into the dying basestar at the Lion's Head). It is clearly implied that Racetrack and Athena reported back to Adama on ''Galactica'', who then ordered the expedition team. As for the spacesuits, it is likely that they determined that they didn't need spacesuits as the ship had atmosphere. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 10:30, 23 February 2007 (CST)

Cyborg: Athena not wearing a spacesuit

2007-02-23T16:14:38Z

Athena not wearing a spacesuit

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	[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 15:56, 30 November 2006 (CST)		[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 15:56, 30 November 2006 (CST)

			== Athena not wearing a spacesuit ==

			Why was Athena not wearing a spacesuit while boarding the basestar? She was wearing a spacesuit at the end of the last episode when she first saw the basestar. --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 10:14, 23 February 2007 (CST)
			* (Athena was in a Raptor on recon; most of the boarding team were not in flight suits since they weren't the defacto pilots on mission) -- Spencerian's edit.
			* The point is that all the away team was on an alien spaceship and didn't wear spacesuits. It doesn't make sense. You can recall that when Boomer got out of the Raptor into the basestar ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), she wore a spacesuit (at least in the beginning). --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 10:14, 23 February 2007 (CST)

PhoenixFlight: /* Some Poor Writing */

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Some Poor Writing

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	The scene where potentially infected Galactica crew are "quarantined", together with Sharon, in a room with cold-storage plastic flaps was ridiculous.		The scene where potentially infected Galactica crew are "quarantined", together with Sharon, in a room with cold-storage plastic flaps was ridiculous.

	It's preposterous to think that a ~~cylon~~ would casually betray his race for the anti-viral drug. He has no assurance that he won't be double-crossed, and he certainly - even after torture - wouldn't spell out the danger the virus poses to the cylon fleet. The audience isn't stupid and neither should the Galctica crew be. Seeing Lee with a dim little lightbulb over his head was just insulting to us all.		It's preposterous to think that a Cylon would casually betray his race for the anti-viral drug. He has no assurance that he won't be double-crossed, and he certainly - even after torture - wouldn't spell out the danger the virus poses to the cylon fleet. The audience isn't stupid and neither should the Galctica crew be. Seeing Lee with a dim little lightbulb over his head was just insulting to us all.

	Past episodes have ~~cleary~~ shown that ~~cylon ressurection~~ occurs over significant distances, (greater than FTL jumps), and that calls into question the ~~fundemental~~ logistics of Adama's infection plan.		Past episodes have clearly shown that Cylon resurrection occurs over significant distances, (greater than FTL jumps), and that calls into question the fundamental logistics of Adama's infection plan.

	There would be no reason to jump Galactica itself, just sending one raptor with a cylon transponder and one infected cylon would have done the trick. (Nevermind the ease with which two cylon raiders almost instantly materialize into a whole cylon fleet with a resurrectionship conveniently in tow.)		There would be no reason to jump Galactica itself, just sending one raptor with a cylon transponder and one infected cylon would have done the trick. (Nevermind the ease with which two cylon raiders almost instantly materialize into a whole cylon fleet with a resurrectionship conveniently in tow.)
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	--[[User:Crazyrabbits\|Crazyrabbits]] 10:00, 15 November 2006 (CST)		--[[User:Crazyrabbits\|Crazyrabbits]] 10:00, 15 November 2006 (CST)

			I think that while there have been better episodes, this was not a bad episode by any stretch. The thing about this episode was a few disconnects between fact and set design, but as far as the cascading environmental systems... yes and no. Very often in any ship-to-ship battle, space or otherwise, the most common cause of death has been fire (for the ship itself). It burns away and blows up. If its that simple to isolate a section and vent it, that could prevent fire damage quickly. Also, note that the door was locked, so the decompression couldn't spread. Finally, I imagine that the Marines would have been on standby throughout the ship, and certainly Lee would have been needed elsewhere.

			--[[User:PhoenixFlight\|PhoenixFlight]] 14:01, 30 December 2006 (CST)

	== Explanations ==		== Explanations ==

Catrope: /* sidestepping Helo's "murder" issues */

2006-11-30T21:56:23Z

sidestepping Helo's "murder" issues

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	Slight problem with this reading: In [[Torn]], a [[Number Three]] says, "Nobody likes it, but we have to make a terrible choice. Do we attempt a rescue, risk the lives of our fleet, even our species, or do we leave them?" Keep in mind, however, she is a tabloid hack, and was probably just being sensationalistic. --[[User:Capedia\|Capedia]] 10:08, 26 November 2006 (CST)		Slight problem with this reading: In [[Torn]], a [[Number Three]] says, "Nobody likes it, but we have to make a terrible choice. Do we attempt a rescue, risk the lives of our fleet, even our species, or do we leave them?" Keep in mind, however, she is a tabloid hack, and was probably just being sensationalistic. --[[User:Capedia\|Capedia]] 10:08, 26 November 2006 (CST)

	== sidestepping Helo's "~~muder~~" issues ==		== sidestepping Helo's "murder" issues ==

	Galactica's plan was to execute the prisoners once it was within range of a Cylon resurrection ship. They never stated why they planned to execute all of the prisoners (including the one who had cooperated in exchange for treatment) instead of just one of them, and I think they sidestepped some interesting moral complexities that would have been present if they had planned to execute only one of them.		Galactica's plan was to execute the prisoners once it was within range of a Cylon resurrection ship. They never stated why they planned to execute all of the prisoners (including the one who had cooperated in exchange for treatment) instead of just one of them, and I think they sidestepped some interesting moral complexities that would have been present if they had planned to execute only one of them.
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	--[[User:Capedia\|Capedia]] 03:30, 26 November 2006 (CST)		--[[User:Capedia\|Capedia]] 03:30, 26 November 2006 (CST)

			Even if the plan had been to execute only one of the five prisoners (which would've been a smarter move), one of the remaining four will still be executed once they run into another Cylon fleet (even if the disease transmitted to the Ressurrection Ship and the four Basestars, the other Cylons would still be lightyears away and survive). If Helo hadn't stopped the plan, the Ressurrection Ship would've gotten infected and died (with all the skinjobs on it), and probably the four basestars as well (including all skinjobs on board and the 3200 associated Raiders). Even worse, if Apollo had shown a little more cleverness, they would've been able to pull off such a stunt 5 times, resulting in approx 20,000 Cylon casualties. Killing 5 Cylons (who would've died anyway) to save tens of thousands of other Cylons doesn't sound like murder to me.

			BTW, to clarify, you're wrong in saying that the other 4 would've survived. They would, but only as weapons against another Cylon fleet which is bound to turn up some day.

			[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 15:56, 30 November 2006 (CST)

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	:: That's an interesting question -- one that I had myself, actually. Even if the effort didn't destroy the Cylon race (and I think that goal is overly optimistic), the virus would have given a serious blow to the Cylons, which would only serve to give the survivors more breathing room -- not to metion the increase in general morale, which the survivors seriously need after the farce at New Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)		:: That's an interesting question -- one that I had myself, actually. Even if the effort didn't destroy the Cylon race (and I think that goal is overly optimistic), the virus would have given a serious blow to the Cylons, which would only serve to give the survivors more breathing room -- not to metion the increase in general morale, which the survivors seriously need after the farce at New Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)

			:::Agreed, Joe. It would also act as a deterrence to future Cylon attacks. If the Cylons know that the Colonials can unleash a holocaust whenever they get in range, they might be inclined to stop chasing the Fleet. Since that scenario (as well as Cylon extinction) would eliminate all drama from the show, it's not surprising that the writers decided to let the Cylons live. [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 15:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

	I would have to agree the writing is poor. The series seems to be drifting from its roots and moving into the Hollywood PC political statement world. This season has already thrown in suicide bombing and implied it was acceptable, now there is a drift into making political statements about biological weapons (even though nuclear weapons have been freely used in the past.) It seems the writers are abandoning their science fiction roots and reaching to make their own personal social or political commentary. I do hope they get back to what I considered truly exceptional science fiction and stop these editorials.--[[User:GeorgeW\|GeorgeW]] 00:06, 12 November 2006 (CST)		I would have to agree the writing is poor. The series seems to be drifting from its roots and moving into the Hollywood PC political statement world. This season has already thrown in suicide bombing and implied it was acceptable, now there is a drift into making political statements about biological weapons (even though nuclear weapons have been freely used in the past.) It seems the writers are abandoning their science fiction roots and reaching to make their own personal social or political commentary. I do hope they get back to what I considered truly exceptional science fiction and stop these editorials.--[[User:GeorgeW\|GeorgeW]] 00:06, 12 November 2006 (CST)

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	Question: the survivor count is 41,420 in this episode and 41,421 in ''Hero'', the next one. But I've just seen this episode and I don't remember anyone being born or rescued. What accounts for the extra survivor? {{unsigned\|Eje211}}		Question: the survivor count is 41,420 in this episode and 41,421 in ''Hero'', the next one. But I've just seen this episode and I don't remember anyone being born or rescued. What accounts for the extra survivor? {{unsigned\|Eje211}}
	: There are births and deaths that happen off-screen outside of the main narrative. Hence the variation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)		: There are births and deaths that happen off-screen outside of the main narrative. Hence the variation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
			:: Okay, so it IS unaccounted for, but that's normal. Just trying to keep track of all the parallel plots. Thanks, Joe. [[User:Eje211\|Eje211]] 16:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)