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	We talked a lot about the relationship between Gaeta and Baltar over the years. A lot of that had gone by the wayside over the last season or so but it was- there was something really interesting about it, at it's heart, even at the beginning of the series when we designated Gaeta as hero-worshiping Baltar to an extent because they were both- had an interest in science and Gaeta fancied himself a bit of a- having a bit of a scientific mind. And he did. But Gaius Baltar was a celebrity and a legitimate genius. There was a certain affinity between the two. And Gaeta having no idea of Baltar's responsibility in the destruction of the colonies. And who the- the nature of the man that he was dealing with, and how that would help Baltar, but also make Baltar feel incredibly guilty at the same time. And I was always really fond of that dynamic between those two men, even going so far as to say that when Baltar became president that he would tap Gaeta to be his right hand, and that Gaeta would accept the position, eve- and then remain in it even during the occupation and try to- he believed in Baltar on some- very fundamental level. And that belief was for naught, and I think that also embittered Gaeta and his belief in authority and his belief in following people and his disillusion with Gaius Baltar contributes in a very fundamental way towards his- where he ultimately gets to in these episodes. And I like that Baltar is willing to pick up the phone and try. Baltar is willing to use his personal connection to this man to try to stop this. Baltar's traveling a road too. In many ways, Baltar and Felix are going in opposite directions. Baltar's trying to claw his way back towards the light, as best he can in his own deeply flawed way, and Gaeta is going deeper into the darkness.		We talked a lot about the relationship between Gaeta and Baltar over the years. A lot of that had gone by the wayside over the last season or so but it was- there was something really interesting about it, at it's heart, even at the beginning of the series when we designated Gaeta as hero-worshiping Baltar to an extent because they were both- had an interest in science and Gaeta fancied himself a bit of a- having a bit of a scientific mind. And he did. But Gaius Baltar was a celebrity and a legitimate genius. There was a certain affinity between the two. And Gaeta having no idea of Baltar's responsibility in the destruction of the colonies. And who the- the nature of the man that he was dealing with, and how that would help Baltar, but also make Baltar feel incredibly guilty at the same time. And I was always really fond of that dynamic between those two men, even going so far as to say that when Baltar became president that he would tap Gaeta to be his right hand, and that Gaeta would accept the position, eve- and then remain in it even during the occupation and try to- he believed in Baltar on some- very fundamental level. And that belief was for naught, and I think that also embittered Gaeta and his belief in authority and his belief in following people and his disillusion with Gaius Baltar contributes in a very fundamental way towards his- where he ultimately gets to in these episodes. And I like that Baltar is willing to pick up the phone and try. Baltar is willing to use his personal connection to this man to try to stop this. Baltar's traveling a road too. In many ways, Baltar and Felix are going in opposite directions. Baltar's trying to claw his way back towards the light, as best he can in his own deeply flawed way, and Gaeta is going deeper into the darkness.

	There is a missing element in the show now		There is a missing element in the show now. We shot this before we did the webisodes, so an element that we would've played in the series, had we known that we were gonna do it in the webisodes is of course the relationship between Gaeta and Hoshi. In the webisodes we establish that Gaeta is having- has a relationship with Hoshi, a romantic and probably sexual relationship with Hoshi, and if we had known that at the time we were doing this there clearly would've been a stronger Hoshi element in these episodes. There would've been more fallout. There would've been a question of whose side Hoshi was gonna be on. But that just came later and it was something that we came up with when we were doing the webisodes, which were done after the series had wrapped, afterly- actually, and I like the idea of that relationship in Gaeta's life, and I liked what it did in the webisodes and as we thought back of how it affected these episodes. There's nothing in here that contradicts that relationship. There's nothing that says, "Oh, well they couldn't have been in a relationship because of X, Y, and Z." And I think it's- for people listening to the podcasts and people who are presumably fans of the show, I don't think it takes a tremendous effort to find a rationalization that essentially we're just not seeing those scenes. We're just not seeing the moment of decision between Hoshi and Gaeta, and that they did occur off-camera, and that we the audience just didn't get a chance to see them.

			Right there. I love the way that Starbuck and Apollo react when Laura and Adama kiss each other so publicly. And they make no effort to hide this whatsoever. It's almost deliberately in front of all of them. And I love the way that the two kids look at one another like what mom and dad are doing. It's like, OK, whatever. I don't know what to make of this. And that they make a public statement of their love for one another. And that love is not to be questioned or fucked around with in any way. This is now something that's important to the Admiral. It's something that's important to the president. And that's the way it's going to be.

			And then we get down here to the f- to the end. To the final place that we end the cliffhanger on. And will they escape? What becomes of Adama? Where are we gonna go in all this? This is a really good- this is the classic place you break the two-parter. Where everything is still hanging in the balance. You're feeling like the show cannot possibly be over. You're looking at your watch going, "No! This can't be it! They're gonna keep going, aren't they?" I mean, it's a good- In many ways it's better than a cliffhanger. A cliffhanger's where you really maximize the tension and you're literally- they're hanging off the cliff and what's gonna happen. This has so much going on. This just feels- this is a- this just feels like we interrupted the story midpoint. And that's the definition of a two-parter, really. It's just- there really are two parts to this that you could watch concurrent- not concurrent. You could watch them sequentially together and it would make a very cohesive story. And we've just chosen to artificially break them in the middle because television demands that we deliver hours instead of two hours.

			This we decid- this took a bit of wrangling and figuring out Gaeta's response and how much he would belabor it. Would he give the order? Would he not give the order? It felt like this was a- one of several points of no return for Mr. Gaeta when he orders them to shoot down the Raptor. That felt like he was making a further commitment to the path he was already on.

			The two old soldiers gonna just- they're gonna defend this little port until that Raptor gets outta here. That's pretty cool. I like that. I like him shooting between the cracks. There really aren't a lot of ways out of this room. To be continued.

			Well, there you have it. That's episode fifteen, "[[The Oath]]". I hope you enjoyed it. I think it's a good episode and I think the next one's really good as well. We're on a really good run to the finish. As we say in the writers' room, we're in the mad dash for the logo. So until next time, this is Ronald D. Moore signing off. Good night, and good luck.
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	Uh, let's see. See? That's effectively done. That's one of those classic movie moments where the two good guys come around the corners and point guns at one another, but it's really depends on how you stage it. The fact that he was- you're with Kara and Lee mostly, that you're really in their perspective and you come around the corner on their side. You're not cutting between the two. And the way he composes the shot is John came around there with Lee, you the audience are ready to shoot before you see Adama. And it's just- there's a certain [gasps] moment when you realize it's Adama.		Uh, let's see. See? That's effectively done. That's one of those classic movie moments where the two good guys come around the corners and point guns at one another, but it's really depends on how you stage it. The fact that he was- you're with Kara and Lee mostly, that you're really in their perspective and you come around the corner on their side. You're not cutting between the two. And the way he composes the shot is John came around there with Lee, you the audience are ready to shoot before you see Adama. And it's just- there's a certain [gasps] moment when you realize it's Adama.
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			And back.

			We talked a lot about the relationship between Gaeta and Baltar over the years. A lot of that had gone by the wayside over the last season or so but it was- there was something really interesting about it, at it's heart, even at the beginning of the series when we designated Gaeta as hero-worshiping Baltar to an extent because they were both- had an interest in science and Gaeta fancied himself a bit of a- having a bit of a scientific mind. And he did. But Gaius Baltar was a celebrity and a legitimate genius. There was a certain affinity between the two. And Gaeta having no idea of Baltar's responsibility in the destruction of the colonies. And who the- the nature of the man that he was dealing with, and how that would help Baltar, but also make Baltar feel incredibly guilty at the same time. And I was always really fond of that dynamic between those two men, even going so far as to say that when Baltar became president that he would tap Gaeta to be his right hand, and that Gaeta would accept the position, eve- and then remain in it even during the occupation and try to- he believed in Baltar on some- very fundamental level. And that belief was for naught, and I think that also embittered Gaeta and his belief in authority and his belief in following people and his disillusion with Gaius Baltar contributes in a very fundamental way towards his- where he ultimately gets to in these episodes. And I like that Baltar is willing to pick up the phone and try. Baltar is willing to use his personal connection to this man to try to stop this. Baltar's traveling a road too. In many ways, Baltar and Felix are going in opposite directions. Baltar's trying to claw his way back towards the light, as best he can in his own deeply flawed way, and Gaeta is going deeper into the darkness.

			There is a missing element in the show now

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	And this is really where Laura comes back. I mean, now Laura- in a crisis, when the shit hits the fan, Laura Roslin is there. Laura steps up. It's- she does- she's not sitting on the couch bemoaning her fate anymore and just wanting to be left alone to die. She really does step to the fore.		And this is really where Laura comes back. I mean, now Laura- in a crisis, when the shit hits the fan, Laura Roslin is there. Laura steps up. It's- she does- she's not sitting on the couch bemoaning her fate anymore and just wanting to be left alone to die. She really does step to the fore.

	And I like this- notion that they're all- people are now on their own. And the ship is big enough that people are starting to barricade their own sections. The civilians are trying to protect themselves. And I love that Baltar is outta here. That Baltar is not manning the barricades with the gun. Baltar's like, "OK. I wish you could all go with me, but I gotta go." Ohh. You gotta love Baltar. [Chuckles]		And I like this- notion that they're all- people are now on their own. And the ship is big enough that people are starting to barricade their own sections. The civilians are trying to protect themselves. And I love that Baltar is outta here. That Baltar is not manning the barricades with the gun. Baltar's like, "OK. I wish you could all go with me, but I gotta go." Ohh. You gotta love Baltar. [Chuckles] "You can keep the statue."

			It's also good to put- there's something fun about putting Lee and Kara back together again with guns in their hands. Fighting side by side. Their circumstances have changed so much, but there's something iconic about Apollo and Starbuck fighting the good fight together, guarding one another's backs. It's great that we got- we were able to get back to that idea here as we approach the final few episodes.

			I mean, now the ship is just divided up into isolated pockets of resistance and isolated pockets of control, and it's really dependent on where you are and who's- who you're with that determines whether you're gonna live and die or even- or just be captured in this circumstance.

			This is a great sequence. Just the way these two old guys- Tigh and Adama and the way they play this. The physicality of it. The emotion of it. The smarts. The way they know the other's moves. Right there. Just turns on him. And watch how well he plays this. This is just ver- this is just all Eddie. It's just very physical. Just- you're boom! He just comes at him. And Tigh's there ready. It's just a very smart- it's a good plan. And just shoots him down. You don't wanna fuck with these two.

			And you don't wanna fuck with her. As subsequent events will show. [chuckles]

			I mean, events from this point for- I can say that the end of the series, the finale, the seeds are germinating in all these episodes. I mean the paths that began even in episode thirteen and beyond, but especially here, there are things that actually, in retrospect, when you look back after you've seen the finale, you'll see that all those things that got us to the end point in the series were born in all these episodes. And so all these- the machinations of the different motivation- the machinations of the plot and people's different motivations and how these elements are all swimming together. You can't see the pattern right now in the middle of it, but there is a pattern to everything that's going on, and there's a direction to where the series is going, and it's born in a lot- in these episodes

			It's nice that Laura and Baltar get to have this little "Who's more- screwed up, you or I?" in the midst of all this. I always liked the idea of Adama having- being forced to retake his own ship. That was always a really sexy component of these episo- of the mutiny episodes was- it wasn't just Kara and Lee going through the halls. It was something really viscerable about Adama on his own vessel, trying to take his own vessel back from people who had taken it from him.

			I like that Tom Zarek- I mean, it was- This was one of the key points of difference between the two, was Zarek knew that Adama should have been executed immediately. And Gaeta has different plans for the Admiral. Gaeta has a different agenda from Zarek, and it's really the difference between those two agendas that will be their undoing, really.

			I mean, this is the moment when Laura's back. I mean, this is really when she- this is the moment when she assumes the reigns once again.

			I like the fact that he doesn't know how to work the equipment as well as Gaeta does. That it's not as simple as throwing a switch and jamming a signal. That- we were at pains to make all this believable that Laura can get a signal out. It would take 'em at least a couple of minutes for a new crew in CIC to cut it off.

			Uh, let's see. See? That's effectively done. That's one of those classic movie moments where the two good guys come around the corners and point guns at one another, but it's really depends on how you stage it. The fact that he was- you're with Kara and Lee mostly, that you're really in their perspective and you come around the corner on their side. You're not cutting between the two. And the way he composes the shot is John came around there with Lee, you the audience are ready to shoot before you see Adama. And it's just- there's a certain [gasps] moment when you realize it's Adama.
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	And this is really where Laura comes back. I mean, now Laura- in a crisis, when the shit hits the fan, Laura Roslin is there. Laura steps up. It's- she does- she's not sitting on the couch bemoaning her fate anymore and just wanting to be left alone to die. She really does step to the fore.		And this is really where Laura comes back. I mean, now Laura- in a crisis, when the shit hits the fan, Laura Roslin is there. Laura steps up. It's- she does- she's not sitting on the couch bemoaning her fate anymore and just wanting to be left alone to die. She really does step to the fore.

	And I like this- notion that they're all- people are now on their own. And the ship is big enough that people are starting to barricade their own sections. The civilians are trying to protect themselves. And I love that Baltar is outta here.		And I like this- notion that they're all- people are now on their own. And the ship is big enough that people are starting to barricade their own sections. The civilians are trying to protect themselves. And I love that Baltar is outta here. That Baltar is not manning the barricades with the gun. Baltar's like, "OK. I wish you could all go with me, but I gotta go." Ohh. You gotta love Baltar. [Chuckles]

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			Gaeta is driven by his leg, but I think also- by losing his leg, but he's also driven by what I think are legitimate concerns. I mean, he's always been- a very skeptical of the Cylons, of putting up with them, of trusting any of them, all the way through, and he worked for Gaius Baltar in New Caprica as his aide-de-camp. He saw life under the occupation. He's gone through a hell of a lot. I mean, they all have, but Gaeta- I don't think Gaeta could ever believe where the Admiral and the president were taking them all. And we kinda built that up over time. From Kar- from going out with Kara out on her crazy mission on the ''Demetrius'' on forward, he's been railing against where the leadership of the Fleet is taking them and it just- the leg was really a major snapping point for the man, and then the events that took place during the webisodes when he was adrift on the- in the raptor, and then finally when they started putting Cylon technology aboard the civilian ships and proposing a formal alliance with them. I think something in the man just snapped, and he said, "This far and no farther."

			And this is really where Laura comes back. I mean, now Laura- in a crisis, when the shit hits the fan, Laura Roslin is there. Laura steps up. It's- she does- she's not sitting on the couch bemoaning her fate anymore and just wanting to be left alone to die. She really does step to the fore.

			And I like this- notion that they're all- people are now on their own. And the ship is big enough that people are starting to barricade their own sections. The civilians are trying to protect themselves. And I love that Baltar is outta here.

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	I mean, it's hard to argue with a lot of things that Gaeta says. I mean, he's right. It's a legitimate point of view to say that Adama's leading them all to hell. They're now- their greatest enemy is now supposed to be their friend and they're just supposed to be OK with that. And especially since Earth turned out to be a bunch of crap. I mean, why are you listening to Bill Adama at this point? Why are you taking orders from a Cylon? Why are you doing any of these things? 'Cause where is it leading?		I mean, it's hard to argue with a lot of things that Gaeta says. I mean, he's right. It's a legitimate point of view to say that Adama's leading them all to hell. They're now- their greatest enemy is now supposed to be their friend and they're just supposed to be OK with that. And especially since Earth turned out to be a bunch of crap. I mean, why are you listening to Bill Adama at this point? Why are you taking orders from a Cylon? Why are you doing any of these things? 'Cause where is it leading?

	It's really		It's really great that you ca- how much you can physically feel Adama's anger in this scene. I mean, Eddie really just projects this rage through that moment.
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	This is a great moment in the series, to me. This is one of the key decision points in the series, when Adama's own CIC is taken from him.		This is a great moment in the series, to me. This is one of the key decision points in the series, when Adama's own CIC is taken from him.

	I mean, it's hard to argue with a lot of things that Gaeta says. I mean, he's right. It's a legitimate point of view to say		I mean, it's hard to argue with a lot of things that Gaeta says. I mean, he's right. It's a legitimate point of view to say that Adama's leading them all to hell. They're now- their greatest enemy is now supposed to be their friend and they're just supposed to be OK with that. And especially since Earth turned out to be a bunch of crap. I mean, why are you listening to Bill Adama at this point? Why are you taking orders from a Cylon? Why are you doing any of these things? 'Cause where is it leading?

			It's really

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	OK. It reminds me a little bit, in some ways, of "Valley of Darkness". Season two episode where the Cylons were aboard and the ship was blacked out and they were trying to defend themselves against the Centurions. It has certain overtones of that, of trying to run from A to B and you never knew what was around the corridor, but somehow this feels scarier, because you're not sure who's friend and who's foe. In that episode there was at least the relief of knowing that the enemy were all the big shiny guys walking around, and in this one you weren't quite sure who's on whose side and you felt everything spiraling out of control. Especially, again, to go back to the earlier point, on a ship the size of ''Galactica'', which is really very, very large. And if you think that a lot of the decks are not manned any more or have become disused over time for one reason or another, and you don't have a full complement of marines. You don't have security taking these guys down, and even- security's even involved in a lot of this stuff. It would be really hard to grapple with this situation that they're faced with. And this is also about the size of the ship. CIC is a fair distance from where this fire is supposed to be. It's not easy to get word all the way back up to CIC. Sends a runner.		OK. It reminds me a little bit, in some ways, of "Valley of Darkness". Season two episode where the Cylons were aboard and the ship was blacked out and they were trying to defend themselves against the Centurions. It has certain overtones of that, of trying to run from A to B and you never knew what was around the corridor, but somehow this feels scarier, because you're not sure who's friend and who's foe. In that episode there was at least the relief of knowing that the enemy were all the big shiny guys walking around, and in this one you weren't quite sure who's on whose side and you felt everything spiraling out of control. Especially, again, to go back to the earlier point, on a ship the size of ''Galactica'', which is really very, very large. And if you think that a lot of the decks are not manned any more or have become disused over time for one reason or another, and you don't have a full complement of marines. You don't have security taking these guys down, and even- security's even involved in a lot of this stuff. It would be really hard to grapple with this situation that they're faced with. And this is also about the size of the ship. CIC is a fair distance from where this fire is supposed to be. It's not easy to get word all the way back up to CIC. Sends a runner.
	I'll just get right over there and help you.
			I'll just get right over there and help you.

	See? This is the point in the podcast where I just start watching the show, 'cause I kinda like the show. [chuckles]		See? This is the point in the podcast where I just start watching the show, 'cause I kinda like the show. [chuckles]

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	OK. It reminds me a little bit, in some ways, of "Valley of Darkness". Season two episode where the Cylons were aboard and the ship was blacked out and they were trying to defend themselves against the Centurions. It has certain overtones of that, of trying to run from A to B and you never knew what was around the corridor, but somehow this feels scarier, because you're not sure who's friend and who's foe. In that episode there was at least the relief of knowing that the enemy were all the big shiny guys walking around, and in this one you weren't quite sure who's on whose side and you felt everything spiraling out of control. Especially, again, to go back to the earlier point, on a ship the size of ''Galactica'', which is really very, very large. And if you think that a lot of the decks are not manned any more or have become disused over time for one reason or another, and you don't have a full complement of marines. You don't have security taking these guys down, and even- security's even involved in a lot of this stuff. It would be really hard to grapple with this situation that they're faced with. And this is also about the size of the ship. CIC is a fair distance from where this fire is supposed to be. It's not easy to get word all the way back up to CIC. Sends a runner.		OK. It reminds me a little bit, in some ways, of "Valley of Darkness". Season two episode where the Cylons were aboard and the ship was blacked out and they were trying to defend themselves against the Centurions. It has certain overtones of that, of trying to run from A to B and you never knew what was around the corridor, but somehow this feels scarier, because you're not sure who's friend and who's foe. In that episode there was at least the relief of knowing that the enemy were all the big shiny guys walking around, and in this one you weren't quite sure who's on whose side and you felt everything spiraling out of control. Especially, again, to go back to the earlier point, on a ship the size of ''Galactica'', which is really very, very large. And if you think that a lot of the decks are not manned any more or have become disused over time for one reason or another, and you don't have a full complement of marines. You don't have security taking these guys down, and even- security's even involved in a lot of this stuff. It would be really hard to grapple with this situation that they're faced with. And this is also about the size of the ship. CIC is a fair distance from where this fire is supposed to be. It's not easy to get word all the way back up to CIC. Sends a runner.
			I'll just get right over there and help you.
	I'll just get right over there and help you.

	See? This is the point in the podcast where I just start watching the show, 'cause I kinda like the show. [chuckles]		See? This is the point in the podcast where I just start watching the show, 'cause I kinda like the show. [chuckles]

	There's not a lot to tell in terms of development of all of this. I mean, a lot of this was in the original story document that I went back and reviewed again, and it was in Mark's original outline and we just expanded upon it and broke it down into disparate scenes. And then here again, this just all John, John Dahl, workin' the sets and making you feel a sense of scale. People running down. Random people. Firefights at every turn. Which direction is Lee supposed to go? Where are the good guys? Where are the bad guys? How can you know the difference? Sometimes people shoot back. Sometimes people give up. I really wanted a sense of chaos. I wanted to feel, from their point of view, I wanted this to feel like a very scary, dangerous environment where just walking down a hallway could potentially put a bullet in your head.		There's not a lot to tell in terms of development of all of this. I mean, a lot of this was in the original story document that I went back and reviewed again, and it was in Mark's original outline and we just expanded upon it and broke it down into disparate scenes. And then here again, this just all John, John Dahl, workin' the sets and making you feel a sense of scale. People running down. Random people. Firefights at every turn. Which direction is Lee supposed to go? Where are the good guys? Where are the bad guys? How can you know the difference? Sometimes people shoot back. Sometimes people give up. I really wanted a sense of chaos. I wanted to feel, from their point of view, I wanted this to feel like a very scary, dangerous environment where just walking down a hallway could potentially put a bullet in your head.

			And boom. Jaws spring shut. I like the peoples still holding onto the helm console. It's like they don't- they're still gonna hold onto the controls of the ship.

			This is a great moment in the series, to me. This is one of the key decision points in the series, when Adama's own CIC is taken from him.

			I mean, it's hard to argue with a lot of things that Gaeta says. I mean, he's right. It's a legitimate point of view to say