Podcast:The Battlestar Roundtable - Revision history

Mars: /* Hour One */ some tweaks

2009-11-29T08:48:31Z

Hour One: some tweaks

Kahran: /* Hour One */

2008-01-13T00:21:42Z

Hour One

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Iphthime: /* Hour Three */

2007-03-03T05:43:27Z

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			'''Bamber''': I've tried to sort of take that. And when I look back at the miniseries, I do see an adolescent. I see someone desperate for rebellion at whatever cost, trying to make his mark, trying to sort of say... and walking into a room with his dad and picking a fight with his dad. It's that guy from Miami Vice.

			'''RDM''': In 20 years, you'll be how old?

			'''Bamber''': I -- Jamie, I'll be 53 in 20 years.

			'''RDM''': You'll be in your 50s. How do you want to look back at this experience? What do you hope that you'll say?

			'''Bamber''': I don't hope. I know what I'll say. These are my formative years. In a really strange way these are my most formative years. Like on a very personal level. On a working level, I've learned more about what I do, I've learnt more from the actors I work with, from you and David and how I've felt involved as a valued member of a creative team. This is the most special time of my life and I'll look back on this... I want to go back to when I've tried to lose my temper!

			'''Bamber''': Today, I actually lost my temper for the first time probably in the character...

			'''RDM''': I saw you lose your temper and I was surprised, I was like "wow"...

			'''Bamber''': I've always been pushing to go there. I've been pushing against the writing, I think, against maybe even myself. Because the thing about playing the good guy...

			'''RDM''': The toughest role in the show.

			'''Bamber''': Well, you always get put back in your box. Like, no matter what radical things you go through you get put back in your box. It's not like Gaius, who can go to like a Cylon baseship and hang out there for a while or go and be a leader of... I always get put back in my box. And I know that. And so what you did for me straight off is write me in a way that Richard Hatch never... as someone with a complicated relationship with his father, a complicated relationship with the military. Someone who's not happy in his skin, right from the get-go. But as far a rebellion goes, how far can that rebellion go, in a limited context. You know, I bang off the walls, I point a gun at my superior, I get in jail with the President, I'm a fugitive...

			[02:33:45]

			'''RDM''': Do you feel a frustration because you can't let it go?

Iphthime: /* Hour Three */

2007-03-03T05:32:54Z

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			'''RDM''': Tahmoh, is there anything you'd like to do on the show or get away with? What would you like to get away with, Helo, as a character? Go up and smack Adama in the head, sleep with Starbuck, or whatever...

			<laughter and crosstalk>

			'''RDM''': How many people in this room would like to sleep with Starbuck, raise your hands? There's a majority.

			'''Terry''': Not me. Grace, maybe.

			'''Penikett''': To be honest with you I think it would be interesting to see Helo really lose his temper.

			'''RDM''': Really lose his temper. He's never really lost his temper.

			'''Penikett''': No. We haven't seen that yet. I think that would be interesting. What I'd like to do? I'd love to see -- like I've said before -- we've got such an incredible case we've gone three seasons -- there are some actors, some incredibly talented actors who are good friends of mine who I'd love to share a scene with. I'd love to...

			'''RDM''': Who have you not done a scene with?

			'''Penikett''': I haven't done a scene with this man!

			'''RDM''': Have you not done a scene with Baltar?

			'''Penikett''': The only scene I've done with this man that's actually had dialogue is -- You, in the crowd. Aren't you Gaius Baltar? That was in the f-ing miniseries. That's it.

			'''RDM''': Really! That's interesting.

			'''Penikett''': Tricia Helfer. Neve. In fact I got to kiss her beautiful lips in the miniseries. Same thing, though.

			'''Callis''': You kissed her lips!

			<crosstalk> That's a scene!!

			'''Terry''': At the end of the day, they're all men.

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			'''RDM''': Jamie, has Lee Adama really lost his temper?

			'''Bamber''': I've tried to on so many occasions in the rushes, as you've probably seen.

			'''RDM''': But has he? When's the moment where he's lost his temper, for you?

			'''Bamber''': Yeah. Lee Adama, the problem about Lee is you're forever...

			'''RDM''': Have you taken the character to that moment, to where you feel like he's really lost it?

			'''Bamber''': Every time I feel like I've really lost it. In the miniseries I felt like I'd almost really lost it. When I saw my dad for the first time and he's just this...

			'''RDM''': He said Zak didn't belong...

			'''Bamber''': He's just this Miami Vice guy, he doesn't look at Don Johnson and so he never looks at me, and I shout at him and I thought I'd lost it then. But I hadn't, because he was an adolescent then. And then the character... He's growing with me, to be honest. And you said what's changed in the time of the shoot, and what's changed is me, is Jamie, with the character.

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Iphthime: /* Hour Three */

2007-03-03T04:53:33Z

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			'''Callis''': I really loved "Water". I loved the premise behind it, I loved the ideas behind it, I loved the things that you cut out of the original thing when there was a meeting of all of us together and somebody went, "Wait a minute. Are you saying that actually to get into one of these water tanks, you can actually do it" and then it was your line, you were like, it was totally impossible, a human being can not get inside one of the water tanks.

			'''RDM''': It was the difference between the TV series and a play. It's like, I wanted it to be theater and it wasn't theater. And if it was theater I could have done the script that I wrote. But as I was writing it I was sort of going, "this isn't fair, this isn't about sitting in the theater and listening to these people talk for an hour". I started to lose faith in the premise of what I had. Instead of taking a season -- which was the plan -- for Sharon to realize that she was a Cylon -- I was going to play the whole first season...

			'''Callis''': You took an episode...

			'''RDM''': I took an episode and I did it in the first moments. I got into that script and I sat down and started writing the teleplay and I went...

			'''Penikett'''?: You're too hard on yourself...

			<crosstalk>

			'''RDM''': ...jeopardy, and...

			'''RDM''': Sharon is wet and she's been in a tank.

			'''Callis''': That was great! What are you talking about? That was...

			'''Sheppard'''?: Was that your cookie-jar moment?

			'''Callis''': And there were so many more instances for her to go on...

			<crosstalk>

			'''Bamber''': In hindsight, could you have made something more interesting by keeping Sharon dry?

			'''RDM''': I wish I could have. I wish on some level...I wish I had been able to sustain the idea that she did know who she was for the first season. I wish I'd been able to, like, not play that at all... I kind of wish that I'd been able to pull off the idea that you, the audience, know that she's a Cylon and she doesn't even know it, and every week you're watching, going...

			'''Bamber'''?: There's a different question which I can't ask you on this podcast, but that doesn't matter. But what are the other instances where you felt that the show goes to an area which you're not...

			'''RDM''': I think I have mixed-feelings about almost every single one-off episode except for "33".

			'''Sheppard''': Every single episode aside from "33"?

			'''RDM''': The ones that are not tied directly to the mythology I have more conflicted feelings about. Because...

			'''Bamber'''?: Mythology? What do you mean by that?

			'''RDM''': The continuing story...

			'''Bamber''': What about "Hero" this year?

			'''Sheppard''': I liked "Hero".

			'''RDM''': I'm OK with "Hero"... Yeah, "Hero" falls in that category for me. I think of it as a single. That's a good single. We did that show. But it doesn't affect me. It doesn't grab me in a way. It doesn't have meaning...

			'''Bamber''': 33 is the truly perfect stand-alone episode. The other ones are always the finales. "Kobol's Last Gleaming..." The finales are the most satisfying because you've got the full ensemble...

			'''RDM''': The whole "Pegasus" arc. From the moment she shows up until the moment she dies, Admiral Cain...

			[02:21:52]

			'''RDM''': I like tying in the world. I like making it about the world...

			'''Sheppard''': It moves at a different speed when you do that, doesn't it, Ron? It seems to move at a very different speed...

			'''RDM''': See, I like the intercut. From "33" I started falling in love with the intercut of the ministories, going from one to the other and advancing the show just from these little slices of each person's life.

			'''Bamber''': One impassioned plea -- don't intercut scenes that are actually scenes...

			[...]

			'''RDM''': It's not always the right...

			'''RDM''': Jamie wants us to re-cut the whole series!

			[02:23:05]

Iphthime: /* Hour Two */

2007-03-03T04:30:50Z

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			'''RDM''': The ships, basically, are sort of remote from one another...

			'''???''': Autonomous states, that is.

			'''RDM''': There's no real television. There's sort of radio communication and messages that go back and forth. But there's a sense of distance between all the people in the fleet. Which implies and feels viscerally like a large nation of people. And suddenly the forms of government and the way they treat it and what they can get away with, becomes much like we see it on TV. This is the way the Presidency functions. It's a press conference, it's a room, it's a woman with flags, it's certain forms that are setting you up and setting a distance and getting away from that problem of, well yeah, couldn't anybody just walk up to Laura and say "you know what? what you're doing is kind of f-ked up."

			'''Bamber''': We're isolated, but anonymity is still a problem in the world that we've created. I'm very aware that whenever my character meets a brand-new character, that there's no way my character is anonymous to anyone.

			'''RDM''': It's very difficult.

			'''Bamber''': There's no way.

			'''Callis'''?: With fifty thousand people?

			'''Bamber''': No way. The admiral's son?

			'''Terry''': But you would still...

			<crosstalk>

			'''RDM''': So the story of Lee goes to the bar and meets some woman...

			'''Bamber''': Exactly. And that's why a story like "Black Market" doesn't quite work.

			'''RDM''': I know! One of the many problems with "Black Market".

			'''Sheppard'''?: Well, you know, all bimbos!


			'''Terry''': We're going to get to like the fourth question out of 175. You'll like this one. How much are the actors allowed to influence their characters on the show?

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Iphthime: /* Hour One */

2007-03-03T04:13:09Z

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 '''Terry''':  It's self-preservation
-'''RDM''':  ...when I was looking at translating the original show.  The traitor was fundamental to the idea of what that show was.  And when I was developing "Galactica", I was saying, OK, take this show and develop it.  Not just throw everything out.  OK, fundamental to that show was the idea that the human race was betrayed by someone from within.  It wasn't just, you know, a bolt from the blue.  There was somebody within mankind that actually helped this to happen.  And why would you do that?  Why would you ever do that?  And I couldn't imagine any reason why he would ever do that.  And it had to be something that he didn't realize he was doing, but he did, and he's still culpable for it, that basically he is responsible for the things that happened in some way, without him ever realizing it but because of an outgrowth of his own weaknesses as a human being, because he is the most human of all the characters in the show.  And it was through this kind of like "oh my G-d, what have I f_king done?  Really?  Oh!  I'd better call my lawyer!"  There's an instinctive pullback...
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Iphthime: /* Hour One */

2007-03-03T03:45:32Z

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 '''???''':  G.I. Jane!
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Shane at 16:58, 27 February 2007

2007-02-27T16:58:34Z

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	{{podcast\|author=Madbrood\|emailAuthor2=,[[Special:Emailuser/Kahran\|Kahran]], [[Special:Emailuser/Steelviper\|Steelviper]],\|suffix=s\|additionalCopyright=, Jamie Bamber, James Callis, Harry Wells, Terry Dresbach, Tahmoh Penikett, and Mark Sheppard}}		{{podcast RDM other\|author=Madbrood\|emailAuthor2=,[[Special:Emailuser/Kahran\|Kahran]], [[Special:Emailuser/Steelviper\|Steelviper]],\|suffix=s\|additionalCopyright=, Jamie Bamber, James Callis, Harry Wells, Terry Dresbach, Tahmoh Penikett, and Mark Sheppard}}

	==Introduction==		==Introduction==

Iphthime: /* Hour One */

2007-02-22T05:20:21Z

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 '''RDM''':  You know, the Baltar who's in Caprica's -- Caprica Six's imagination.
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	'''Callis''': -This was to say that we shot this scene again, and we shot the scene on [[Colonial One]], and it was the same dialog and it was basically a bit where Number Six say to Gaius, she's like "Do you want children Gaius?" -		'''Callis''': -This was to say that we shot this scene again, and we shot the scene on ''[[Colonial One]]'', and it was the same dialog and it was basically a bit where Number Six say to Gaius, she's like "Do you want children Gaius?" -

	'''RDM''': -Oh yeah! Did we cut that?		'''RDM''': -Oh yeah! Did we cut that?
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	'''Callis''': -It was so real, and it took away, or at least it grounded or galvanized me away from the explosions, from being in love with a robot, from being, you know, in an alter-reality where spaceships run and you're on board one, this thing, a basic thing about a man who was like "I love playing around and the women, everything, do I want children? Forget it already!" and was like, that, that took me somewhere, it was a great line to kind of, to go on I think in that sense I think I found it pretty quickly, and I think that I found it-		'''Callis''': -It was so real, and it took away, or at least it grounded or galvanized me away from the explosions, from being in love with a robot, from being, you know, in an alter-reality where spaceships run and you're on board one, this thing, a basic thing about a man who was like "I love playing around and the women, everything, do I want children? Forget it already!" and was like, that, that took me somewhere, it was a great line to kind of, to go on I think in that sense I think I found it pretty quickly, and I think that I found it-

	'''RDM''': -Moreso than the ~~Minisereis~~?		'''RDM''': -Moreso than the Miniseries?

	'''Callis''': Miniseries, I genuinely had a bit of a problem with-		'''Callis''': Miniseries, I genuinely had a bit of a problem with-
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	'''RDM''': It was a ''[[w:~~Seinfeild~~\|~~Seinfeild~~]]'' moment, and that's why I really liked it, I had the same, it essentially the same-		'''RDM''': It was a ''[[w:Seinfeld\|Seinfeld]]'' moment, and that's why I really liked it, I had the same, it essentially the same-

	'''Callis''': It's like you never over two years-		'''Callis''': It's like you never over two years-
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	'''Callis''': There were things, there were things to get over and surmount, and I remember one of the things at the end was this thing about looking at the, looking at the screens as the world blew up and it went ~~breserk~~-		'''Callis''': There were things, there were things to get over and surmount, and I remember one of the things at the end was this thing about looking at the, looking at the screens as the world blew up and it went berserk-

	'''RDM''': Yeah, yeah-		'''RDM''': Yeah, yeah-
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	'''RDM''': -When you're doing ''[[w:Star Trek\|Star Trek]]''’s and you're doing these whole space operas, when you're doing shows that have, or an ''[[w:Alias (TV series)\|Alias]]'' or something that has an outside sort of organization that you're struggling against and there's a conflict-		'''RDM''': -When you're doing ''[[w:Star Trek\|Star Trek]]''s and you're doing these whole space operas, when you're doing shows that have, or an ''[[w:Alias (TV series)\|Alias]]'' or something that has an outside sort of organization that you're struggling against and there's a conflict-

	'''Bamber''': -Don't you think that-		'''Bamber''': -Don't you think that-
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	'''RDM''': But you can't resist going back to that cookie jar. And eventually what happens is, the further you get into an episodic television series like this --		'''RDM''': But you can't resist going back to that cookie jar. And eventually what happens is, the further you get into an episodic television series like this --
	now we're in the third -- 3 seasons under our belt, plus the miniseries; that's a lot of hours -- now -- at a certain level you just start going, well, I just want to know more about the Cylons at this point. I mean ~~J---s~~, how much more am I going to write about, you know, Laura and Tori and Tigh, without doing something about, well, ~~J---s~~, who's Cavil? There's a character that comes aboard the Galactica, and suddenly I'm fascinated with who Cavil is. As a writer and as a viewer, I want to know, the atheist Cylon? Tell me more about that. And we start just opening up that world-- but to your point, I don't know if ultimately, if that doesn't undercut the series and demystify what drew you to it initially.		now we're in the third -- 3 seasons under our belt, plus the miniseries; that's a lot of hours -- now -- at a certain level you just start going, well, I just want to know more about the Cylons at this point. I mean Jesus, how much more am I going to write about, you know, Laura and Tori and Tigh, without doing something about, well, Jesus, who's Cavil? There's a character that comes aboard the Galactica, and suddenly I'm fascinated with who Cavil is. As a writer and as a viewer, I want to know, the atheist Cylon? Tell me more about that. And we start just opening up that world-- but to your point, I don't know if ultimately, if that doesn't undercut the series and demystify what drew you to it initially.

	'''Callis''': I think it's a gutsy move. And reading some people who, like, who, whatever on the internet, people who are writing in -- that -- what is to be said of, like, you know, hey, listen, this is the gimmick: we never meet them. That's going to get old as well.		'''Callis''': I think it's a gutsy move. And reading some people who, like, who, whatever on the internet, people who are writing in -- that -- what is to be said of, like, you know, hey, listen, this is the gimmick: we never meet them. That's going to get old as well.
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	'''Callis''': ...what you get is this thing about, "my ~~g-d~~, how do they..."		'''Callis''': ...what you get is this thing about, "my god, how do they..."
	You set up lots of questions to be answered again [to Terri: "yes, please"] for later on.		You set up lots of questions to be answered again [to Terri: "yes, please"] for later on.

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	'''RDM''': I know, it was you and like, babes...		'''RDM''': I know, it was you and like, babes...

	'''Callis''': And I was like, looking at all of them and I was like -- Yes, that was the moment. It was like, "D'Anna's about to kill you". It's not about her being, like, your buddy and her -- your -- friend. This is about, like, you know, double espionage. This is about thought crime. Say the wrong thing, think the wrong thing, and you're going to be boxed and that will be you forever. And, um, I suppose once -- when you've thought about the scary elements in between all of these, kind of, as I say, beautiful looking women, there was something that really kind of hinged... One of the lines I remember from that one is Grace throwing that thing across the room and going "lying, ~~fracking~~ machine".		'''Callis''': And I was like, looking at all of them and I was like -- Yes, that was the moment. It was like, "D'Anna's about to kill you". It's not about her being, like, your buddy and her -- your -- friend. This is about, like, you know, double espionage. This is about thought crime. Say the wrong thing, think the wrong thing, and you're going to be boxed and that will be you forever. And, um, I suppose once -- when you've thought about the scary elements in between all of these, kind of, as I say, beautiful looking women, there was something that really kind of hinged... One of the lines I remember from that one is Grace throwing that thing across the room and going "I'm a lying, frakking machine".

	<crosstalk>: I love that scene.		<crosstalk>: I love that scene.

	'''Callis''': And that's kind of so -- I keep on bringing that up when we're doing this thing, I'm like, are the Cylons allowed to partake in our society on some level? Or is this thing about, we've already heard it from one of the Cylons themselves. They're a lying ~~fracking~~ machine. Can they ever be trusted to say, like the real thing or the thing that might help?		'''Callis''': And that's kind of so -- I keep on bringing that up when we're doing this thing, I'm like, are the Cylons allowed to partake in our society on some level? Or is this thing about, we've already heard it from one of the Cylons themselves. They're a lying frakking machine. Can they ever be trusted to say, like the real thing or the thing that might help?

	'''RDM''': Here's a question from online from...		'''RDM''': Here's a question from online from...