Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */

2025-12-24T00:03:52Z

Noteworthy Dialogue

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Official Statements */

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Official Statements

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	=== Regarding the lack of definitive information regarding Kobol ===		=== Regarding the lack of definitive information regarding Kobol ===
	~~{{from_RDM_blog}}~~

	:''"In the last two episodes it is noted by the priestess that the thirteen tribes left {{RDM\|Kobol}} about "2000 years ago" and the initial estimate of the age of the ruins is the same, but nothing is concrete of course. This is where I have a problem: They were obviously a star faring civilization to leave Kobol to being with. To do so requires information technology. Why is their history of that time so sketchy and lacking of concrete records? Yes it was 2000 years in the past but come on, it's not like they only had [[Wikipedia:papyrus\|papyrus]] to write on."''		{{Dialogue
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			'''"In the last two episodes it is noted by the priestess that the thirteen tribes left {{RDM\|Kobol}} about "2000 years ago" and the initial estimate of the age of the ruins is the same, but nothing is concrete of course. This is where I have a problem: They were obviously a star faring civilization to leave Kobol to being with. To do so requires information technology. Why is their history of that time so sketchy and lacking of concrete records? Yes it was 2000 years in the past but come on, it's not like they only had [[Wikipedia:papyrus\|papyrus]] to write on."'''

	:I've been presupposing some kind of cataclysm or crisis that occurred soon after mankind settled on the 12 worlds which either wiped out the knowledge base or had it deliberately destroyed for some reason. This doesn't seem that implausible when one considers that a tremendous amount of knowledge from the Greco-Roman tradition was lost after the fall of the [[Wikipedia:Roman Empire\|Roman Empire]] and plunged the western world into the so called [[Wikipedia:Dark Ages\|Dark Ages]]. Clearly, the Colonials did not fall all the way back to papyrus, and they do in fact, know that they are descendants of refugees from Kobol, hence the term "[[Twelve Colonies of Kobol\|Colonies]]." They must have possessed star-faring technology at the time of the exodus, but I don't know how far we'll go into this specific backstory in the series, however.		'''[[Ronald D. Moore]]:''' I've been presupposing some kind of cataclysm or crisis that occurred soon after mankind settled on the 12 worlds which either wiped out the knowledge base or had it deliberately destroyed for some reason.

			This doesn't seem that implausible when one considers that a tremendous amount of knowledge from the Greco-Roman tradition was lost after the fall of the [[Wikipedia:Roman Empire\|Roman Empire]] and plunged the western world into the so called [[Wikipedia:Dark Ages\|Dark Ages]].

			Clearly, the Colonials did not fall all the way back to papyrus, and they do in fact, know that they are descendants of refugees from Kobol, hence the term "[[Twelve Colonies of Kobol\|Colonies]]." They must have possessed star-faring technology at the time of the exodus, but I don't know how far we'll go into this specific backstory in the series, however.
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	=== Regarding Storyline Evolution and Potential Casting ===		=== Regarding Storyline Evolution and Potential Casting ===
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	=== Other Statements ===		=== Other Statements ===

	* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] talks about his response to the argument held between {{callsign\|Starbuck}} and {{callsign\|Lee Adama}} in this episode:''		{{Dialogue
			\| context = [[Jamie Bamber]] talks about his response to the argument held between {{callsign\|Starbuck}} and {{callsign\|Lee Adama}} in this episode:
	: It's sort of an explosion of jealousy that is a complete surprise to him because I don't think he's ... he's not fully aware of what he feels. There's something quite like a gut reaction that really was exciting to play. It was a surprise to me. [http://gateworld.net/galactica/articles/bamber01.shtml]		\| lines =
			'''Jamie Bamber:''' It's sort of an explosion of jealousy that is a complete surprise to him because I don't think he's ... he's not fully aware of what he feels. There's something quite like a gut reaction that really was exciting to play. It was a surprise to me.
			\| source = [http://gateworld.net/galactica/articles/bamber01.shtml GateWorld: Jamie Bamber interview]
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	== Noteworthy Dialogue ==		== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Guest stars */ Paul Ouellette as unnamed Galactica officer (uncredited)

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Guest stars: Paul Ouellette as unnamed Galactica officer (uncredited)

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	*[[Stephen Spender]] as Raptor 3's Pilot		*[[Stephen Spender]] as Raptor 3's Pilot
	*[[James Bell]] as Raptor 3's ECO		*[[James Bell]] as Raptor 3's ECO
			*[[Paul Ouellette]] as [[Galactica crew member (Paul Ouellette)\|unnamed ''Galactica'' officer]] (uncredited)

	== References ==		== References ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Kara Thrace" to "{{callsign|Starbuck}}"

2025-06-30T18:14:16Z

Text replacement - "Kara Thrace" to "{{callsign|Starbuck}}"

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	=== Other Statements ===		=== Other Statements ===

	* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] talks about his response to the argument held between ~~[[Kara Thrace]]~~ and {{callsign\|Lee Adama}} in this episode:''		* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] talks about his response to the argument held between {{callsign\|Starbuck}} and {{callsign\|Lee Adama}} in this episode:''

	: It's sort of an explosion of jealousy that is a complete surprise to him because I don't think he's ... he's not fully aware of what he feels. There's something quite like a gut reaction that really was exciting to play. It was a surprise to me. [http://gateworld.net/galactica/articles/bamber01.shtml]		: It's sort of an explosion of jealousy that is a complete surprise to him because I don't think he's ... he's not fully aware of what he feels. There's something quite like a gut reaction that really was exciting to play. It was a surprise to me. [http://gateworld.net/galactica/articles/bamber01.shtml]
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	* ''On the hangar deck:''		* ''On the hangar deck:''
	:'''{{callsign\|Lee Adama}}:''' Going hunting?		:'''{{callsign\|Lee Adama}}:''' Going hunting?
	:'''~~[[Kara Thrace]]~~:''' ''[loading ammunition into the Cylon [[Raider (RDM)\|Raider]]]'' I'm manning the gunnery for the jump test tomorrow. See if our boy here can shoot anything with our ammo.		:'''{{callsign\|Starbuck}}:''' ''[loading ammunition into the Cylon [[Raider (RDM)\|Raider]]]'' I'm manning the gunnery for the jump test tomorrow. See if our boy here can shoot anything with our ammo.
	:'''Adama:''' So it's a boy now.		:'''Adama:''' So it's a boy now.
	:'''Thrace:''' I changed my mind.		:'''Thrace:''' I changed my mind.

Joe Beaudoin Jr. at 01:01, 22 June 2025

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	:[[Galactica (TRS)\|Galactica]]'' discovers {{RDM\|Kobol}}, and a chain of events are set in motion that threatens to change everything.''		:[[Galactica (TRS)\|Galactica]]'' discovers {{RDM\|Kobol}}, and a chain of events are set in motion that threatens to change everything.''

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Lee Adama" to "{{callsign|Lee Adama}}"

2025-02-08T16:19:40Z

Text replacement - "Lee Adama" to "{{callsign|Lee Adama}}"

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	== Summary ==		== Summary ==
	* Following the [[Colonial Day (holiday)\|Colonial Day]] celebrations, [[Gaius Baltar]] finally beds [[Kara Thrace\|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]], but as they make love, she cries out for [[Lee Adama]], shattering Baltar's mood.		* Following the [[Colonial Day (holiday)\|Colonial Day]] celebrations, [[Gaius Baltar]] finally beds [[Kara Thrace\|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]], but as they make love, she cries out for {{callsign\|Lee Adama}}, shattering Baltar's mood.
	* Stricken by her apparent rejection of him in their coupling, Baltar in turn comes close to rejecting [[Number Six\|Six]] and finds it impossible to concentrate on anything – including his duties as Vice President.		* Stricken by her apparent rejection of him in their coupling, Baltar in turn comes close to rejecting [[Number Six\|Six]] and finds it impossible to concentrate on anything – including his duties as Vice President.
	* Elsewhere on ship, [[Sharon Valerii\|Boomer]] attempts to take her own life, but breaks down in tears before she can shoot herself. She is called to the Ready Room for a pre-flight briefing.		* Elsewhere on ship, [[Sharon Valerii\|Boomer]] attempts to take her own life, but breaks down in tears before she can shoot herself. She is called to the Ready Room for a pre-flight briefing.
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	*''Why would Starbuck have sex with Baltar?'' As Starbuck says, she feels she is a screwup. Based on what viewers have seen and heard of Starbuck throughout the season, and specifically Apollo's comments in this episode, she has a history of recklessly diving into physical relations with no thought whatsoever as to the consequences; Starbuck instinctively starts thinking something must be wrong when things are going right, such as her growing relationship with Apollo, because she's so used to things going wrong. Also, Lee Adama left her dancing with Baltar in the last episode.		*''Why would Starbuck have sex with Baltar?'' As Starbuck says, she feels she is a screwup. Based on what viewers have seen and heard of Starbuck throughout the season, and specifically Apollo's comments in this episode, she has a history of recklessly diving into physical relations with no thought whatsoever as to the consequences; Starbuck instinctively starts thinking something must be wrong when things are going right, such as her growing relationship with Apollo, because she's so used to things going wrong. Also, Lee Adama left her dancing with Baltar in the last episode.
	*When Sharon shoots herself, she is holding an automatic pistol, but the sound is that of the larger sidearms carried by pilots when flying off-ship missions (only slightly suppressed), rather than the report of a "normal" pistol being fired.		*When Sharon shoots herself, she is holding an automatic pistol, but the sound is that of the larger sidearms carried by pilots when flying off-ship missions (only slightly suppressed), rather than the report of a "normal" pistol being fired.
	*When Roslin tells Starbuck that she is dying from breast cancer, she says that she only told three people. However, four people ([[Sherman Cottle\|Doctor Cottle]], [[Billy Keikeya]], [[Lee Adama]], and [[Elosha]]) actually know of Roslin's illness by this time. Whether this is a continuity error or whether Roslin simply misspeaks is unknown.		*When Roslin tells Starbuck that she is dying from breast cancer, she says that she only told three people. However, four people ([[Sherman Cottle\|Doctor Cottle]], [[Billy Keikeya]], {{callsign\|Lee Adama}}, and [[Elosha]]) actually know of Roslin's illness by this time. Whether this is a continuity error or whether Roslin simply misspeaks is unknown.
	**Billy inferred her condition before she told him, {{TRS\|Miniseries}}, so maybe she is being very particular, since he did not learn of it through her telling him.		**Billy inferred her condition before she told him, {{TRS\|Miniseries}}, so maybe she is being very particular, since he did not learn of it through her telling him.

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	=== Other Statements ===		=== Other Statements ===

	* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] talks about his response to the argument held between [[Kara Thrace]] and [[Lee Adama]] in this episode:''		* ''[[Jamie Bamber]] talks about his response to the argument held between [[Kara Thrace]] and {{callsign\|Lee Adama}} in this episode:''

	: It's sort of an explosion of jealousy that is a complete surprise to him because I don't think he's ... he's not fully aware of what he feels. There's something quite like a gut reaction that really was exciting to play. It was a surprise to me. [http://gateworld.net/galactica/articles/bamber01.shtml]		: It's sort of an explosion of jealousy that is a complete surprise to him because I don't think he's ... he's not fully aware of what he feels. There's something quite like a gut reaction that really was exciting to play. It was a surprise to me. [http://gateworld.net/galactica/articles/bamber01.shtml]
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	* ''On the hangar deck:''		* ''On the hangar deck:''
	:'''[[Lee Adama]]:''' Going hunting?		:'''{{callsign\|Lee Adama}}:''' Going hunting?
	:'''[[Kara Thrace]]:''' ''[loading ammunition into the Cylon [[Raider (RDM)\|Raider]]]'' I'm manning the gunnery for the jump test tomorrow. See if our boy here can shoot anything with our ammo.		:'''[[Kara Thrace]]:''' ''[loading ammunition into the Cylon [[Raider (RDM)\|Raider]]]'' I'm manning the gunnery for the jump test tomorrow. See if our boy here can shoot anything with our ammo.
	:'''Adama:''' So it's a boy now.		:'''Adama:''' So it's a boy now.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "[[Image:" to "[[File:"

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Text replacement - "[[Image:" to "[[File:"

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	* Before a rescue mission can be launched, the basestar must be taken out – and Starbuck hatches a plan to do just this using the captured Raider.		* Before a rescue mission can be launched, the basestar must be taken out – and Starbuck hatches a plan to do just this using the captured Raider.
	* Hearing this, Roslin meets with Starbuck and convinces her into going to Caprica instead to retrieve the Arrow, by telling her that Adama does not actually know where Earth is.		* Hearing this, Roslin meets with Starbuck and convinces her into going to Caprica instead to retrieve the Arrow, by telling her that Adama does not actually know where Earth is.
	[[~~Image~~:bsg-klg1-1.jpg\|thumb\|right\|Adama studies ancient documents on Kobol.]]		[[File:bsg-klg1-1.jpg\|thumb\|right\|Adama studies ancient documents on Kobol.]]

	===On Caprica===		===On Caprica===

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Helo" to "{{callsign|Helo}}"

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Text replacement - "Helo" to "{{callsign|Helo}}"

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	===On Caprica===		===On Caprica===
	* ~~[[Karl Agathon~~\|Helo]], alone and on the run, encounters “his” [[Sharon Agathon\|Valerii]]. He shoots and wounds her. Unable to kill her outright, he takes her with him.		* {{callsign\|Helo}}, alone and on the run, encounters “his” [[Sharon Agathon\|Valerii]]. He shoots and wounds her. Unable to kill her outright, he takes her with him.
	* When Valerii tries to talk to him, Helo cuts her off and insists that she is now just a means for him to get off the planet.		* When Valerii tries to talk to him, Helo cuts her off and insists that she is now just a means for him to get off the planet.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - ""," to ",""

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Text replacement - ""," to ",""

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Crashdown" to "{{callsign|Crashdown}}"

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Text replacement - "Crashdown" to "{{callsign|Crashdown}}"

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	* [[Laura Roslin\|Roslin]] discovers that her cancer treatment is not going well. Her cancer has spread to her lymphatic system, giving her perhaps 6 months to live.		* [[Laura Roslin\|Roslin]] discovers that her cancer treatment is not going well. Her cancer has spread to her lymphatic system, giving her perhaps 6 months to live.
	* Baltar verbally fences with Lee Adama and is somewhat insulting to Thrace, tipping Lee off that the doctor has slept with Thrace. Later, still thinking about Thrace, Baltar cracks in front of Roslin.		* Baltar verbally fences with Lee Adama and is somewhat insulting to Thrace, tipping Lee off that the doctor has slept with Thrace. Later, still thinking about Thrace, Baltar cracks in front of Roslin.
	* Following a recon mission, Boomer and [[Crashdown]] return to ''{{RDM\|Galactica}}'' with evidence they have stumbled upon {{RDM\|Kobol}}.		* Following a recon mission, Boomer and {{callsign\|Crashdown}} return to ''{{RDM\|Galactica}}'' with evidence they have stumbled upon {{RDM\|Kobol}}.
	* Determined to have things out with Thrace, Lee confronts her in the [[Hangar Deck]], and the two come to blows. Thrace realizes that her actions with Baltar have hurt Lee Adama.		* Determined to have things out with Thrace, Lee confronts her in the [[Hangar Deck]], and the two come to blows. Thrace realizes that her actions with Baltar have hurt Lee Adama.
	* Reviewing the evidence returned by Boomer and Crashdown, Roslin has a vision which [[Elosha]] confirms to be the [[City of the Gods]] on Kobol.		* Reviewing the evidence returned by Boomer and Crashdown, Roslin has a vision which [[Elosha]] confirms to be the [[City of the Gods]] on Kobol.

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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	*Thrace leaves Baltar's quarters at the start of the episode with her blue dress from "[[Colonial Day]]". It seems like this episode continues directly on from the previous episode.		*Thrace leaves Baltar's quarters at the start of the episode with her blue dress from "[[Colonial Day]]". It seems like this episode continues directly on from the previous episode.
	*There are now 47,897 survivors in the [[The Fleet (RDM)\|The Fleet]], a net loss of 1 since "Colonial Day", accounting for the death of [[Valance]].		*There are now 47,897 survivors in the [[The Fleet (RDM)\|The Fleet]], a net loss of 1 since "Colonial Day," accounting for the death of [[Valance]].
	*The Fleet is beginning to run short of supplies.		*The Fleet is beginning to run short of supplies.
	*Humans departed Kobol for the Twelve Colonies some 2,000 years prior to the setting of the series.		*Humans departed Kobol for the Twelve Colonies some 2,000 years prior to the setting of the series.
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	*[[Ellen Tigh]] does not appear in this episode, but she is present in deleted scenes.		*[[Ellen Tigh]] does not appear in this episode, but she is present in deleted scenes.
	*The [[Cylon transponder]] is an indirect nod to the {{TOS\|Battlestar Galactica\|Original Series}}, in which {{TOS\|Apollo}} and {{TOS\|Starbuck}} use an IFF-type device to identify their [[Raider (TOS)\|Raider]] to Colonial forces when they launch an attack on a Cylon basestar {{OS\|The Hand of God}}.		*The [[Cylon transponder]] is an indirect nod to the {{TOS\|Battlestar Galactica\|Original Series}}, in which {{TOS\|Apollo}} and {{TOS\|Starbuck}} use an IFF-type device to identify their [[Raider (TOS)\|Raider]] to Colonial forces when they launch an attack on a Cylon basestar {{OS\|The Hand of God}}.
	*When Adama asks Starbuck what she is doing and she replies "Bringing home the cat", she is referring to their first exchange in the Miniseries: "What do you hear?" - "[[Nothing but the rain]]."		*When Adama asks Starbuck what she is doing and she replies "Bringing home the cat," she is referring to their first exchange in the Miniseries: "What do you hear?" - "[[Nothing but the rain]]."
	*The last scene, with Kara Thrace leaving in a Raider to return to Caprica, is scored differently on the US DVDs than either the UK DVDs or the initially broadcast version. In the initial broadcast, the score uses the drum sequence from the opening titles. The US DVD set, however, is scored with a drum cue from the Miniseries. Neither is the version originally scored by [[Bear McCreary]], who went with a middle ground between intense action and subtle drama. (This version can be found on his [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=444 blog]). <ref>{{cite_web\|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=444\|title=Bear McCreary's blog: BG Season 1 Mx Mix-Ups}}</ref>		*The last scene, with Kara Thrace leaving in a Raider to return to Caprica, is scored differently on the US DVDs than either the UK DVDs or the initially broadcast version. In the initial broadcast, the score uses the drum sequence from the opening titles. The US DVD set, however, is scored with a drum cue from the Miniseries. Neither is the version originally scored by [[Bear McCreary]], who went with a middle ground between intense action and subtle drama. (This version can be found on his [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=444 blog]). <ref>{{cite_web\|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=444\|title=Bear McCreary's blog: BG Season 1 Mx Mix-Ups}}</ref>

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	:'''Adama:''' So it's a boy now.		:'''Adama:''' So it's a boy now.
	:'''Thrace:''' I changed my mind.		:'''Thrace:''' I changed my mind.
	:'''Adama:''' You ever wonder why everyone else calls it a "she", but to you, it's a "he"?		:'''Adama:''' You ever wonder why everyone else calls it a "she," but to you, it's a "he"?
	:'''Thrace:''' That's fascinating, Lee. You should write a paper.		:'''Thrace:''' That's fascinating, Lee. You should write a paper.
	:'''Adama:''' Well, that's not really my style. I'm not as smart as...say, Doctor Baltar. How is the Vice President, by the way?		:'''Adama:''' Well, that's not really my style. I'm not as smart as...say, Doctor Baltar. How is the Vice President, by the way?