Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Karl Agathon" to "{{callsign|Karl Agathon}}"

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	The [[first Hybrid]] gives a monologue about his knowledge of the Final Five in the extended version of "[[Razor]]". It states that the fifth Cylon, which is still in shadow, will come toward the light, hungering for redemption which will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.		The [[first Hybrid]] gives a monologue about his knowledge of the Final Five in the extended version of "[[Razor]]". It states that the fifth Cylon, which is still in shadow, will come toward the light, hungering for redemption which will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.

	With the exception of [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Cally Tyrol]], who are confirmed to have half-Cylon, half-human children<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast\|episode=Frak Party Q and A\|act=\|id=hybridnick\|timestamp=22:41\|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref>, any "human" character could be a Cylon.		With the exception of {{callsign\|Karl Agathon}} and [[Cally Tyrol]], who are confirmed to have half-Cylon, half-human children<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast\|episode=Frak Party Q and A\|act=\|id=hybridnick\|timestamp=22:41\|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref>, any "human" character could be a Cylon.

	In "[[Revelations]]," [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)\|D'Anna Biers]], mentions that there are only four of them in the Fleet. If this is true, then this would narrow the field to those characters who were on the rebel basestar at the time, characters previously assumed dead or missing, or other [[#More Esoteric ideas\|more esoteric suggestions]].		In "[[Revelations]]," [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)\|D'Anna Biers]], mentions that there are only four of them in the Fleet. If this is true, then this would narrow the field to those characters who were on the rebel basestar at the time, characters previously assumed dead or missing, or other [[#More Esoteric ideas\|more esoteric suggestions]].

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Lee Adama" to "{{callsign|Lee Adama}}"

2025-02-08T16:15:46Z

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	==General factors for consideration==		==General factors for consideration==
	In terms of narrative, to prevent an anti-climax it seems likely that the final Cylon would probably need to be a more prominent character than those of the Four. This centers the spotlight in the central "human" characters ([[Roslin]], [[William Adama\|William]] and [[Lee Adama]], [[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] and {{callsign\|Starbuck}}). However, there is still half a season for characters to develop and gain significance with viewers.		In terms of narrative, to prevent an anti-climax it seems likely that the final Cylon would probably need to be a more prominent character than those of the Four. This centers the spotlight in the central "human" characters ([[Roslin]], [[William Adama\|William]] and {{callsign\|Lee Adama}}, [[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] and {{callsign\|Starbuck}}). However, there is still half a season for characters to develop and gain significance with viewers.

	With the Final Five being "fundamentally different" from the Seven, extrapolating any characteristics we learned of Cylons from the Seven (including physiology, loyalty or self-awareness) is of questionable validity.		With the Final Five being "fundamentally different" from the Seven, extrapolating any characteristics we learned of Cylons from the Seven (including physiology, loyalty or self-awareness) is of questionable validity.

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2025-02-03T01:05:20Z

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	:"Four of the five were recent. If memory serves, the fifth (which may change) we've been kicking around since about the end of Season One."<ref>[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive8#Identity of the Final Five\|BW:OC#Identity of the Final Five]]</ref>		:"Four of the five were recent. If memory serves, the fifth (which may change) we've been kicking around since about the end of Season One."<ref>[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive8#Identity of the Final Five\|BW:OC#Identity of the Final Five]]</ref>

	[[~~Image~~:Battlestar Galactica Last Supper.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|"The Last Supper"]]		[[File:Battlestar Galactica Last Supper.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|"The Last Supper"]]

	Further, the January 2008 edition of [[w:Entertainment Weekly\|Entertainment Weekly]] showcases a two-page photo of the cast for [[Season Four]] posed in a manner similar to Leonardo DaVinci's ''[[w:The Last Supper (Leonardo)\|The Last Supper]]'' with an explanation of each character's pose/position provided by Ron Moore. Near the far left of the table a space is left vacant and a cup sits on the table marking the absent character's intended place. Moore tells EW that "We have not yet revealed the final [unknown] Cylon." and when asked if there was a possibility that the final Cylon was indeed ''not'' seated at the table Moore notes "You ferreted that out pretty slyly. I didn't really want to give that away."<ref>{{cite_news\|first=\|last=\|url=http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/814818.html#cutid1\|title=What does this picture mean? Try to crack the 'BSG' code.\|publisher=Entertainment Weekly\|page=40, 41\|date=January 11, 2008\|accessdate=English\|language=}}</ref> William Adama, Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, Gaius Baltar, and Kara Thrace are all present in the picture, as are [[Final Five]] Cylons Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Samuel Anders.		Further, the January 2008 edition of [[w:Entertainment Weekly\|Entertainment Weekly]] showcases a two-page photo of the cast for [[Season Four]] posed in a manner similar to Leonardo DaVinci's ''[[w:The Last Supper (Leonardo)\|The Last Supper]]'' with an explanation of each character's pose/position provided by Ron Moore. Near the far left of the table a space is left vacant and a cup sits on the table marking the absent character's intended place. Moore tells EW that "We have not yet revealed the final [unknown] Cylon." and when asked if there was a possibility that the final Cylon was indeed ''not'' seated at the table Moore notes "You ferreted that out pretty slyly. I didn't really want to give that away."<ref>{{cite_news\|first=\|last=\|url=http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/814818.html#cutid1\|title=What does this picture mean? Try to crack the 'BSG' code.\|publisher=Entertainment Weekly\|page=40, 41\|date=January 11, 2008\|accessdate=English\|language=}}</ref> William Adama, Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, Gaius Baltar, and Kara Thrace are all present in the picture, as are [[Final Five]] Cylons Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Samuel Anders.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Starbuck" to "{{callsign|Starbuck}}"

2024-12-30T23:42:21Z

Text replacement - "Starbuck" to "{{callsign|Starbuck}}"

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	==General factors for consideration==		==General factors for consideration==
	In terms of narrative, to prevent an anti-climax it seems likely that the final Cylon would probably need to be a more prominent character than those of the Four. This centers the spotlight in the central "human" characters ([[Roslin]], [[William Adama\|William]] and [[Lee Adama]], [[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] and ~~[[Kara Thrace~~\|Starbuck]]). However, there is still half a season for characters to develop and gain significance with viewers.		In terms of narrative, to prevent an anti-climax it seems likely that the final Cylon would probably need to be a more prominent character than those of the Four. This centers the spotlight in the central "human" characters ([[Roslin]], [[William Adama\|William]] and [[Lee Adama]], [[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] and {{callsign\|Starbuck}}). However, there is still half a season for characters to develop and gain significance with viewers.

	With the Final Five being "fundamentally different" from the Seven, extrapolating any characteristics we learned of Cylons from the Seven (including physiology, loyalty or self-awareness) is of questionable validity.		With the Final Five being "fundamentally different" from the Seven, extrapolating any characteristics we learned of Cylons from the Seven (including physiology, loyalty or self-awareness) is of questionable validity.

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	With the exception of [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Cally Tyrol]], who are confirmed to have half-Cylon, half-human children<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast\|episode=Frak Party Q and A\|act=\|id=hybridnick\|timestamp=22:41\|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref>, any "human" character could be a Cylon.		With the exception of [[Karl Agathon]] and [[Cally Tyrol]], who are confirmed to have half-Cylon, half-human children<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast\|episode=Frak Party Q and A\|act=\|id=hybridnick\|timestamp=22:41\|totalrunning=78:27}}</ref>, any "human" character could be a Cylon.

	In "[[Revelations]]", [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)\|D'Anna Biers]], mentions that there are only four of them in the Fleet. If this is true, then this would narrow the field to those characters who were on the rebel basestar at the time, characters previously assumed dead or missing, or other [[#More Esoteric ideas\|more esoteric suggestions]].		In "[[Revelations]]," [[Number Three (Downloaded copy)\|D'Anna Biers]], mentions that there are only four of them in the Fleet. If this is true, then this would narrow the field to those characters who were on the rebel basestar at the time, characters previously assumed dead or missing, or other [[#More Esoteric ideas\|more esoteric suggestions]].

	== Main Theories ==		== Main Theories ==

	As all the major characters have been eliminated, in addition to those in the Fleet as of "[[Revelations]]", the prevailing theory is that the Fifth is either on the rebel baseship or elsewhere in the galaxy.		As all the major characters have been eliminated, in addition to those in the Fleet as of "[[Revelations]]," the prevailing theory is that the Fifth is either on the rebel baseship or elsewhere in the galaxy.

	Therefore, the following remain likely to be Cylons:		Therefore, the following remain likely to be Cylons:
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	# If the [[First Hybrid]] is correct, the Last Cylon is clawing for redemption. Valerii has much that she may be redeemed for, including her various murder attempts (namely [[William Adama]] and Hera Agathon), and her failure to bring about peaceful coexistence with the humans and the Cylon race.		# If the [[First Hybrid]] is correct, the Last Cylon is clawing for redemption. Valerii has much that she may be redeemed for, including her various murder attempts (namely [[William Adama]] and Hera Agathon), and her failure to bring about peaceful coexistence with the humans and the Cylon race.

	The only downside to this theory is that Valerii is part of the [[Number Eight]] model line. However, given that the Final Five are "fundamentally different", this yet to be explained fundamental difference may be able to explain this. Further, none of the Final Five have model numbers, and are thus outside the Significant Seven's mainstream; the Five may have infiltrated Cylon society as well in some way, just the same way Tigh and the others were able to infiltrate human society dating back to at least 30 years pre-[[Fall of the Twelve Colonies\|Fall]].		The only downside to this theory is that Valerii is part of the [[Number Eight]] model line. However, given that the Final Five are "fundamentally different," this yet to be explained fundamental difference may be able to explain this. Further, none of the Final Five have model numbers, and are thus outside the Significant Seven's mainstream; the Five may have infiltrated Cylon society as well in some way, just the same way Tigh and the others were able to infiltrate human society dating back to at least 30 years pre-[[Fall of the Twelve Colonies\|Fall]].

	===[[Virtual beings]]===		===[[Virtual beings]]===

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2021-07-25T19:52:22Z

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	==References==		==References==
	~~<references/>~~		{{reflist}}

	[[Category:A to Z]]		[[Category:A to Z]]

JubalHarshaw: Protected "Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot": archive of now out-dated speculation ([edit=sysop] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (indefinite))

2009-03-06T21:27:40Z

Protected "Humanoid Cylon speculation/Reboot": archive of now out-dated speculation ([edit=sysop] (indefinite) [move=sysop] (indefinite))

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JubalHarshaw: noted that this page is protected as an archive of outdated speculation

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			:''Note: This article is protected from edits and kept around as an archive of the speculation that took place before the reveal of the final Cylon. See also [[Humanoid Cylon speculation/ColdBoot]] for another such page.''

	The [[Cylons (RDM)\|Cylon]] evolution into twelve distinct [[Humanoid Cylon\|humanoid models]] introduced a serious problem for the remnants of humanity in the [[The Fleet (RDM)\|Fleet]]. Early into the search for [[Earth]], it seemed that anyone could be a Cylon, raising doubt and suspicion within the human populace. The Fleet's leadership withheld this information from both the military and civilian population, but these facts were eventually revealed carefully. As a result of these revelations, suspicions ran high and both conspiracy theorists (such as [[Sesha Abinell]]) and peace activists ([[Demand Peace]]) began cropping up in the Fleet.		The [[Cylons (RDM)\|Cylon]] evolution into twelve distinct [[Humanoid Cylon\|humanoid models]] introduced a serious problem for the remnants of humanity in the [[The Fleet (RDM)\|Fleet]]. Early into the search for [[Earth]], it seemed that anyone could be a Cylon, raising doubt and suspicion within the human populace. The Fleet's leadership withheld this information from both the military and civilian population, but these facts were eventually revealed carefully. As a result of these revelations, suspicions ran high and both conspiracy theorists (such as [[Sesha Abinell]]) and peace activists ([[Demand Peace]]) began cropping up in the Fleet.

Spike: /* Sharon "Boomer" Valerii */

2008-07-09T02:01:45Z

Sharon "Boomer" Valerii

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	# She is not present in the Last Supper photo.		# She is not present in the Last Supper photo.
	# Valerii is a major character.		# Valerii is a major character.
	# Three is the first to see Valerii and is aware of her existence. Three's quip at Eights always going to something "shiny" may be an attempt to test her. Also, Three does not kill ~~Vaerlii~~ after snapping Cavil's neck, suggesting that Three either did not desire her to come to harm or was unconcerned about her fate. Further, Valerii does escape the Hub prior to its destruction per the [[Podcast:The Hub\|podcast]] for "[[The Hub]]".		# Three is the first to see Valerii and is aware of her existence. Three's quip at Eights always going to something "shiny" may be an attempt to test her. Also, Three does not kill Valerii after snapping Cavil's neck, suggesting that Three either did not desire her to come to harm or was unconcerned about her fate. Further, Valerii does escape the Hub prior to its destruction per the [[Podcast:The Hub\|podcast]] for "[[The Hub]]".
	# If the [[First Hybrid]] is correct, the Last Cylon is clawing for redemption. Valerii has much that she may be redeemed for, including her various murder attempts (namely [[William Adama]] and Hera Agathon), and her failure to bring about peaceful coexistence with the humans and the Cylon race.		# If the [[First Hybrid]] is correct, the Last Cylon is clawing for redemption. Valerii has much that she may be redeemed for, including her various murder attempts (namely [[William Adama]] and Hera Agathon), and her failure to bring about peaceful coexistence with the humans and the Cylon race.

Catrope: /* More Esoteric ideas */ rewording

2008-06-28T18:17:07Z

More Esoteric ideas: rewording

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	===More Esoteric ideas===		===More Esoteric ideas===
			The final Cylon is:
	*The ~~last~~ Cylon is on [[Earth (RDM)\|Earth]] or the entire population of Earth are copies of the final Cylon.		*on [[Earth (RDM)\|Earth]] or the entire population of Earth are copies of the final Cylon;
	*~~The final Cylon is~~ dead.		*dead;
	*~~The final Cylon is~~ a deceased character known to the audience.		*a deceased character known to the audience;
	*[[God (RDM)\|God]], or some other divine entity.		*[[God (RDM)\|God]], or some other divine entity;
	*~~The~~ [[Hybrid]]s.		*the [[Hybrid]]s;
	*A character to be featured in ''[[Caprica (series)\|Caprica]]'' such as [[Zoe Graystone]] or [[Tamara Adama]].		*a character to be featured in ''[[Caprica (series)\|Caprica]]'' such as [[Zoe Graystone]] or [[Tamara Adama]].

	==References==		==References==

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	:"Four of the five were recent. If memory serves, the fifth (which may change) we've been kicking around since about the end of Season One."<ref>[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive8#Identity of the Final Five\|BW:OC#Identity of the Final Five]]</ref>		:"Four of the five were recent. If memory serves, the fifth (which may change) we've been kicking around since about the end of Season One."<ref>[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive8#Identity of the Final Five\|BW:OC#Identity of the Final Five]]</ref>

	[[~~Image~~:Battlestar Galactica Last Supper.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|"The Last Supper"]]		[[File:Battlestar Galactica Last Supper.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|"The Last Supper"]]

	Further, the January 2008 edition of [[w:Entertainment Weekly\|Entertainment Weekly]] showcases a two-page photo of the cast for [[Season Four]] posed in a manner similar to Leonardo DaVinci's ''[[w:The Last Supper (Leonardo)\|The Last Supper]]'' with an explanation of each character's pose/position provided by Ron Moore. Near the far left of the table a space is left vacant and a cup sits on the table marking the absent character's intended place. Moore tells EW that "We have not yet revealed the final [unknown] Cylon." and when asked if there was a possibility that the final Cylon was indeed ''not'' seated at the table Moore notes "You ferreted that out pretty slyly. I didn't really want to give that away."<ref>{{cite_news\|first=\|last=\|url=http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/814818.html#cutid1\|title=What does this picture mean? Try to crack the 'BSG' code.\|publisher=Entertainment Weekly\|page=40, 41\|date=January 11, 2008\|accessdate=English\|language=}}</ref> William Adama, Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, Gaius Baltar, and Kara Thrace are all present in the picture, as are [[Final Five]] Cylons Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Samuel Anders.		Further, the January 2008 edition of [[w:Entertainment Weekly\|Entertainment Weekly]] showcases a two-page photo of the cast for [[Season Four]] posed in a manner similar to Leonardo DaVinci's ''[[w:The Last Supper (Leonardo)\|The Last Supper]]'' with an explanation of each character's pose/position provided by Ron Moore. Near the far left of the table a space is left vacant and a cup sits on the table marking the absent character's intended place. Moore tells EW that "We have not yet revealed the final [unknown] Cylon." and when asked if there was a possibility that the final Cylon was indeed ''not'' seated at the table Moore notes "You ferreted that out pretty slyly. I didn't really want to give that away."<ref>{{cite_news\|first=\|last=\|url=http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/814818.html#cutid1\|title=What does this picture mean? Try to crack the 'BSG' code.\|publisher=Entertainment Weekly\|page=40, 41\|date=January 11, 2008\|accessdate=English\|language=}}</ref> William Adama, Laura Roslin, Lee Adama, Gaius Baltar, and Kara Thrace are all present in the picture, as are [[Final Five]] Cylons Saul Tigh, Galen Tyrol, and Samuel Anders.