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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Blog */ reply

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	Ron Moore opened a [http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Blog.html personal blog] and made a comment or two about the strike and the fan support for the writers. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:42, 15 November 2007 (CST)		Ron Moore opened a [http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Blog.html personal blog] and made a comment or two about the strike and the fan support for the writers. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:42, 15 November 2007 (CST)
			: Yeah, I saw that. ;-) It's actually on the BW main page, though neutrally worded. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:53, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Blog */ Moore blog

2007-11-15T20:42:44Z

Blog: Moore blog

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	I've updated the blog, since I feel that we've gotten all the feedback we're gonna get. [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2007/11/15/battlestar-wikis-stance-on-the-wga-strike/ Here's what I wrote.] -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:11, 15 November 2007 (CST)		I've updated the blog, since I feel that we've gotten all the feedback we're gonna get. [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2007/11/15/battlestar-wikis-stance-on-the-wga-strike/ Here's what I wrote.] -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:11, 15 November 2007 (CST)

			Ron Moore opened a [http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Blog.html personal blog] and made a comment or two about the strike and the fan support for the writers. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:42, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: replies, update

2007-11-15T20:11:27Z

replies, update

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	I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)		I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)
	:You mean like a "fandom supports BSG writers" petition that we would send RDM/Brad/whoever, signed by pretty much everybody who is anybody at BSWiki?That'd be a nice idea, as long as the petition or whatever it is clearly states that those people are speaking individually, as fans of the show, and not as BSWiki officials. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:56, 15 November 2007 (CST)		:You mean like a "fandom supports BSG writers" petition that we would send RDM/Brad/whoever, signed by pretty much everybody who is anybody at BSWiki?That'd be a nice idea, as long as the petition or whatever it is clearly states that those people are speaking individually, as fans of the show, and not as BSWiki officials. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:56, 15 November 2007 (CST)
			:Online petitions aren't really that effective. To give it any weight, you'd probably need to do something via postal mail. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:11, 15 November 2007 (CST)

	== Template ==		== Template ==
	I've added a parameter to {{tl\|User Data}} which shows one's support to the writers (as demonstrated [[User:Catrope\|here]]). If you don't want the support thingy to appear in your user data infobox but somewhere else, use {{tl\|WGA support}}. Thanks to Steelviper for the image. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:59, 15 November 2007 (CST)		I've added a parameter to {{tl\|User Data}} which shows one's support to the writers (as demonstrated [[User:Catrope\|here]]). If you don't want the support thingy to appear in your user data infobox but somewhere else, use {{tl\|WGA support}}. Thanks to Steelviper for the image. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:59, 15 November 2007 (CST)

			== Blog ==

			I've updated the blog, since I feel that we've gotten all the feedback we're gonna get. [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2007/11/15/battlestar-wikis-stance-on-the-wga-strike/ Here's what I wrote.] -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:11, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Catrope: /* Template */

2007-11-15T14:59:14Z

Template

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	I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)		I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)
	:You mean like a "fandom supports BSG writers" petition that we would send RDM/Brad/whoever, signed by pretty much everybody who is anybody at BSWiki?That'd be a nice idea, as long as the petition or whatever it is clearly states that those people are speaking individually, as fans of the show, and not as BSWiki officials. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:56, 15 November 2007 (CST)		:You mean like a "fandom supports BSG writers" petition that we would send RDM/Brad/whoever, signed by pretty much everybody who is anybody at BSWiki?That'd be a nice idea, as long as the petition or whatever it is clearly states that those people are speaking individually, as fans of the show, and not as BSWiki officials. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:56, 15 November 2007 (CST)

			== Template ==
			I've added a parameter to {{tl\|User Data}} which shows one's support to the writers (as demonstrated [[User:Catrope\|here]]). If you don't want the support thingy to appear in your user data infobox but somewhere else, use {{tl\|WGA support}}. Thanks to Steelviper for the image. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:59, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Catrope: /* Wikistrike? */ reply

2007-11-15T13:56:43Z

Wikistrike?: reply

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	I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)		I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)
			:You mean like a "fandom supports BSG writers" petition that we would send RDM/Brad/whoever, signed by pretty much everybody who is anybody at BSWiki?That'd be a nice idea, as long as the petition or whatever it is clearly states that those people are speaking individually, as fans of the show, and not as BSWiki officials. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:56, 15 November 2007 (CST)

OrionFour: /* Wikistrike? */

2007-11-15T09:37:50Z

Wikistrike?

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	::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	:::::I'm personally in {{support}}, but I agree that, as an organization, Battlestar Wiki absolutely must remain {{neutral}}. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 18:38, 12 November 2007 (CST)		:::::I'm personally in {{support}}, but I agree that, as an organization, Battlestar Wiki absolutely must remain {{neutral}}. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 18:38, 12 November 2007 (CST)

			I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)

Slander: +vote

2007-11-13T00:38:51Z

+vote

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	:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)		:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)
			:::::I'm personally in {{support}}, but I agree that, as an organization, Battlestar Wiki absolutely must remain {{neutral}}. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 18:38, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Wikistrike? */ tweak

2007-11-12T21:55:02Z

Wikistrike?: tweak

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	::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)		:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on ~~their~~ user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Wikistrike? */ reply

2007-11-12T21:54:14Z

Wikistrike?: reply

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	::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)		:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)
			::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on their user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Catrope: /* Wikistrike? */ reply

2007-11-12T21:46:19Z

Wikistrike?: reply

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	:::Though I am in very much support of the Writer's Strike, I am going to have to stay that we stay neutral ground. I really want us not to take any side (on any FrakMedia site(s) and partners, minus our discussion forum area, were we talk as individuals) because from what I know, NBC-Uni does visit our site and does keep tabs on us. There is even evidence that they visited recently during the Strike to see how fan sites are doing IMO, but they do keep tabs on us. RDM, Mrs. Ron, and Bradly, and even Mark visit the wiki, under the cover of non-registered names (minus brady). Thought they are all writers, I think it would be wrong for us to stay a stand. It would be so against and contradictory to [[BW:NPOV]] Maybe even [[BW:REAL]]. It would allow us to still "ask" proactive questions ([[BW:OC]]) and document the event in an article [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|2007 Writers Guild Strike]] and what happened to BSG at the time, as information is feed or even posted online. There is already a sleuth of worthy material that is Strike and BSG related, and for future projects, it might be willing to save it as part of the project itself. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 23:44, 11 November 2007 (CST)		:::Though I am in very much support of the Writer's Strike, I am going to have to stay that we stay neutral ground. I really want us not to take any side (on any FrakMedia site(s) and partners, minus our discussion forum area, were we talk as individuals) because from what I know, NBC-Uni does visit our site and does keep tabs on us. There is even evidence that they visited recently during the Strike to see how fan sites are doing IMO, but they do keep tabs on us. RDM, Mrs. Ron, and Bradly, and even Mark visit the wiki, under the cover of non-registered names (minus brady). Thought they are all writers, I think it would be wrong for us to stay a stand. It would be so against and contradictory to [[BW:NPOV]] Maybe even [[BW:REAL]]. It would allow us to still "ask" proactive questions ([[BW:OC]]) and document the event in an article [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|2007 Writers Guild Strike]] and what happened to BSG at the time, as information is feed or even posted online. There is already a sleuth of worthy material that is Strike and BSG related, and for future projects, it might be willing to save it as part of the project itself. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 23:44, 11 November 2007 (CST)
	I definitely have personal feelings on this and many related issues (writers require proper compensation, "fair use" and "public domain" have effectively been destroyed by corporate copyright extension lobbying, etc.) and I am extremely torn to also agree that BSGwiki should remain {{neutral}}. If everyone took the "we shouldn't piss off the corporation" attitude, however, necessary changes would never occur, abuses would run rampant, and profit would rule over any and every other consideration. There comes a time when you have to stand up and be counted, whatever the cost. I'm sure the writers didn't strike lightly. So, BSGwiki as an entity: neutrality. Me personally: take the corporations to task when they try, yet again, to stick it to workers and their customers - you know, the people that make their profit possible? [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 08:34, 12 November 2007 (CST)		I definitely have personal feelings on this and many related issues (writers require proper compensation, "fair use" and "public domain" have effectively been destroyed by corporate copyright extension lobbying, etc.) and I am extremely torn to also agree that BSGwiki should remain {{neutral}}. If everyone took the "we shouldn't piss off the corporation" attitude, however, necessary changes would never occur, abuses would run rampant, and profit would rule over any and every other consideration. There comes a time when you have to stand up and be counted, whatever the cost. I'm sure the writers didn't strike lightly. So, BSGwiki as an entity: neutrality. Me personally: take the corporations to task when they try, yet again, to stick it to workers and their customers - you know, the people that make their profit possible? [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 08:34, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	::I ~~concurr~~ with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)
			:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)

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	I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)		I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)
	:You mean like a "fandom supports BSG writers" petition that we would send RDM/Brad/whoever, signed by pretty much everybody who is anybody at BSWiki?That'd be a nice idea, as long as the petition or whatever it is clearly states that those people are speaking individually, as fans of the show, and not as BSWiki officials. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:56, 15 November 2007 (CST)		:You mean like a "fandom supports BSG writers" petition that we would send RDM/Brad/whoever, signed by pretty much everybody who is anybody at BSWiki?That'd be a nice idea, as long as the petition or whatever it is clearly states that those people are speaking individually, as fans of the show, and not as BSWiki officials. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 07:56, 15 November 2007 (CST)
			:Online petitions aren't really that effective. To give it any weight, you'd probably need to do something via postal mail. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:11, 15 November 2007 (CST)

	== Template ==		== Template ==
	I've added a parameter to {{tl\|User Data}} which shows one's support to the writers (as demonstrated [[User:Catrope\|here]]). If you don't want the support thingy to appear in your user data infobox but somewhere else, use {{tl\|WGA support}}. Thanks to Steelviper for the image. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:59, 15 November 2007 (CST)		I've added a parameter to {{tl\|User Data}} which shows one's support to the writers (as demonstrated [[User:Catrope\|here]]). If you don't want the support thingy to appear in your user data infobox but somewhere else, use {{tl\|WGA support}}. Thanks to Steelviper for the image. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 08:59, 15 November 2007 (CST)

			== Blog ==

			I've updated the blog, since I feel that we've gotten all the feedback we're gonna get. [http://blog.battlestarwiki.org/2007/11/15/battlestar-wikis-stance-on-the-wga-strike/ Here's what I wrote.] -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 14:11, 15 November 2007 (CST)

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	::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	:::::I'm personally in {{support}}, but I agree that, as an organization, Battlestar Wiki absolutely must remain {{neutral}}. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 18:38, 12 November 2007 (CST)		:::::I'm personally in {{support}}, but I agree that, as an organization, Battlestar Wiki absolutely must remain {{neutral}}. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 18:38, 12 November 2007 (CST)

			I just had a thought while I was trying to sleep. Ok, so we may not be able to say anything official on the site for legal reasons, but surely there are other ways for us to voice our support, even if the network execs never get to see it, and it's not an official BSG Wiki position. Even if it's something as simple as an email, just to let RDM and the rest of the staff know that we'll still be here "after the jump". It would be something any interested BSG Wikier could sign if they wanted to, and it would be directed at RDM or in some way that they would all see it. I'm just trying to be constructive with this, so if you guys think up a better idea let me know, I just feel like I want to do ''something''. --[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 03:37, 15 November 2007 (CST)

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	:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)		:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)
			:::::I'm personally in {{support}}, but I agree that, as an organization, Battlestar Wiki absolutely must remain {{neutral}}. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 18:38, 12 November 2007 (CST)

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	::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)		:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on ~~their~~ user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on our user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)

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	::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)		::I concur with the "neutralist" arguments. Not being from the US I'm not particularly well-informed as to the strike (other than through wikipedia), but from what I read here it seems pragmatic for us to remain collectively neutral. An article detailing how the strike pertains to BSG would be good though (could it delay S4?) [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:50, 12 November 2007 (CST)
	:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)		:::I agree that a neutral stance is probably safest. For information on the strike, see [[w:2007 Writers Guild of America strike\|here]], for a short interview with Ronald D. Moore about how it affects BSG (and some background on the strike as well), see [http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html here]. Tomorrow I'll work on a template people can put on their userpage to support the strike. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:46, 12 November 2007 (CST)
			::::Wonderful. At least we as users can support the strike on their user pages, which is fine by me. Feel free to add to the proposal with these new developments as well, since while I'm convinced that it is in our best interests to have the wiki be {{neutral}}, we should leave it up to the members to voice their {{support}} for the strike. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:54, 12 November 2007 (CST)