Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Image Cropping Promo Images - Revision history

April Arcus: name change

2020-04-11T08:34:31Z

name change

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	Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)		Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	: I agree with ~~Peter~~. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)		: I agree with April. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)

	== Vote ==		== Vote ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:54:11Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)		Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	: I agree with Peter. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)		: I agree with Peter. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)

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	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] - {{Oppose}} ditto to Joe --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:36, 18 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] - {{Oppose}} ditto to Joe --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:36, 18 December 2006 (CST)
	# [[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] - {{Oppose}}		# [[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] - {{Oppose}}
	# [[User:Shane\|Shane]] - {{Abstain}}. [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence\|Leave of Absence]] since 14 December 2006.		# [[User:Shane\|Shane]] - {{Abstain}}. [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence\|Leave of Absence]] since 14 December 2006.
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	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)
	# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)

April Arcus: /* Vote */

2006-12-19T01:24:35Z

Vote

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	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] - {{Oppose}} ditto to Joe --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:36, 18 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] - {{Oppose}} ditto to Joe --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:36, 18 December 2006 (CST)
	# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] -		# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - {{Oppose}}
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	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)
	# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)

Steelviper: /* Vote */ + oppose

2006-12-18T14:02:35Z

Vote: + oppose

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	# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)

Mercifull: /* Vote */

2006-12-18T09:36:15Z

Vote

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Talos at 03:37, 18 December 2006

2006-12-18T03:37:54Z

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	# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] -		# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Vote */ + oppose

2006-12-18T03:33:58Z

Vote: + oppose

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	# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] -		# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{oppose}} No need to have a policy against cropping images, particularly if they enhance their usage on an article or document. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:33, 17 December 2006 (CST)
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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: vote time

2006-12-18T03:27:07Z

vote time

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	Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)		Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	: I agree with Peter. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)		: I agree with Peter. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)

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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: reply

2006-10-30T03:53:03Z

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	Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)		Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
			: I agree with Peter. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)

April Arcus at 03:28, 30 October 2006

2006-10-30T03:28:42Z

New page

Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)

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	Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)		Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	: I agree with Peter. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)		: I agree with Peter. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)

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	# [[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] - {{Oppose}}		# [[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] - {{Oppose}}
	# [[User:Shane\|Shane]] - {{Abstain}}. [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence\|Leave of Absence]] since 14 December 2006.		# [[User:Shane\|Shane]] - {{Abstain}}. [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence\|Leave of Absence]] since 14 December 2006.
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	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)
	# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)

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	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] - {{Oppose}} ditto to Joe --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:36, 18 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] - {{Oppose}} ditto to Joe --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:36, 18 December 2006 (CST)
	# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] -		# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - {{Oppose}}
	# [[User:Shane\|Shane]] - {{Abstain}}. [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence\|Leave of Absence]] since 14 December 2006.		# [[User:Shane\|Shane]] - {{Abstain}}. [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence\|Leave of Absence]] since 14 December 2006.
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	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)
	# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)

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	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] -		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)
	# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)		# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)

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	# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] -		# [[User:Talos\|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)