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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	However, we do have several pages given over to (more or less groundless) speculation on the identity of possible Cylon infiltrators. It seems that either we should make a stricter effort to police such speculation, or allow similar pages concerning the sexuality of various characters.		However, we do have several pages given over to (more or less groundless) speculation on the identity of possible Cylon infiltrators. It seems that either we should make a stricter effort to police such speculation, or allow similar pages concerning the sexuality of various characters.

	Also, I think that articles on Human and Cylon sexuality in general are conspicuous by their absence. Between the Gemenese attitude towards pregnancy depicted in "The Captain's Hand", Ellen Tigh and Kara Thrace's relentless tomcatting, Cally's role as a working mother, Athena's post-marriage domestication, Thorne's rape of both Gina and Athena, Gina and Shevon's work as call-girls, the existance of child prositution in the fleet, the Baltar/Three/Six three-ways, and the Leoben/Kara relationship, we have ''plenty'' of material to draw on. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 15:43, 2 May 2007 (CDT)		Also, I think that articles on Human and Cylon sexuality in general are conspicuous by their absence. Between the Gemenese attitude towards pregnancy depicted in "The Captain's Hand", Ellen Tigh and Kara Thrace's relentless tomcatting, Cally's role as a working mother, Athena's post-marriage domestication, Thorne's rape of both Gina and Athena, Gina and Shevon's work as call-girls, the existance of child prositution in the fleet, the Baltar/Three/Six three-ways, and the Leoben/Kara relationship, we have ''plenty'' of material to draw on. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 15:43, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

	: This would make for interesting features. :-) Having said that, most of the relationships have been fairly "nuclear family" and heterosexually oriented. The homosexuality issues that are brought up are virtually non-existant. I'm thinking that the author was more or less toying with what the fan fic community refers to as "slash", where they put two same-sex characters in erotic situations to play out the fan fic writer's fantasy or fantasies. That's the general vibe I got when reading the piece, and the corresponding blog entry on snub.		: This would make for interesting features. :-) Having said that, most of the relationships have been fairly "nuclear family" and heterosexually oriented. The homosexuality issues that are brought up are virtually non-existant. I'm thinking that the author was more or less toying with what the fan fic community refers to as "slash", where they put two same-sex characters in erotic situations to play out the fan fic writer's fantasy or fantasies. That's the general vibe I got when reading the piece, and the corresponding blog entry on snub.
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	: Also, Gina was never a "call-girl"... She was a sex toy/robot slave, as so far as ''Pegasus''' people saw her. Which does raise an interesting question as to whether or not there were ever any Cylon sex-slaves on the colonies. But that's not something that should be addressed here... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:03, 2 May 2007 (CDT)		: Also, Gina was never a "call-girl"... She was a sex toy/robot slave, as so far as ''Pegasus''' people saw her. Which does raise an interesting question as to whether or not there were ever any Cylon sex-slaves on the colonies. But that's not something that should be addressed here... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:03, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

	::She spent several months working as a prostitute on Cloud 9 after her escape from Pegasus, as seen in "Epiphanies" and "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II". --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:07, 2 May 2007 (CDT)		::She spent several months working as a prostitute on Cloud 9 after her escape from Pegasus, as seen in "Epiphanies" and "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II". --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:07, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
	:::Uh, where do you get that from? I always assumed that she was simply sheltered by Demand Peace and did some sort of work for them. Gina is clearly extremely uncomfortable with Baltar's sexual advances towards her, as is to be expected by a rape victim. That pretty much precludes her working as prostitute. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:14, 2 May 2007 (CDT)		:::Uh, where do you get that from? I always assumed that she was simply sheltered by Demand Peace and did some sort of work for them. Gina is clearly extremely uncomfortable with Baltar's sexual advances towards her, as is to be expected by a rape victim. That pretty much precludes her working as prostitute. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:14, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

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	::::So he seems to have left the idea in, but discarded the exposition surrounding it. Later, he again refers to her hotel suite as a brothel:		::::So he seems to have left the idea in, but discarded the exposition surrounding it. Later, he again refers to her hotel suite as a brothel:
	:::::Meanwhile, back at the brothel... thank God she has those [[wikipedia:Clark_Kent\|Clark Kent]] glasses on else he'd be scared right now.		:::::Meanwhile, back at the brothel... thank God she has those [[wikipedia:Clark_Kent\|Clark Kent]] glasses on else he'd be scared right now.
	::::So there you go. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:23, 2 May 2007 (CDT)		::::So there you go. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:23, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

	:::::Ah, now I remember. While we know that there is certainly prostitution on ''Cloud 9'' (Shevon), that's one of the cases where I take the final result over the podcast exposition (and that last comment seem more like a joke anyways). Gina's revulsion towards sex is an addition by Tricia Helfer for which she campaigned for. The writers didn't really think of how she would feel after being gang raped for weeks or so. But they agreed with her, and that's how it ended up on screen, thus - at least for me - negating the earlier plans. But that's kinda off topic now. Maybe move it to [[Gina]] if anyone is interested to discuss this further? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:29, 2 May 2007 (CDT)		:::::Ah, now I remember. While we know that there is certainly prostitution on ''Cloud 9'' (Shevon), that's one of the cases where I take the final result over the podcast exposition (and that last comment seem more like a joke anyways). Gina's revulsion towards sex is an addition by Tricia Helfer for which she campaigned for. The writers didn't really think of how she would feel after being gang raped for weeks or so. But they agreed with her, and that's how it ended up on screen, thus - at least for me - negating the earlier plans. But that's kinda off topic now. Maybe move it to [[Gina]] if anyone is interested to discuss this further? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:29, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

Shane: /* After reading the article */

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	We're a community, but we have different goals than other BSG communities. Those goals may not appeal as much to many potential female (and male, for that matter) contributors as, say, the ability to write fan-fiction, discuss potential relationships, or the ability to write whatever they like under their own name with a guarantee that it won't be altered/improved/deleted. I am all for bringing in new contributors, male or female, but I'm against compromising our stated goals to do so (not that anyone is saying that's the plan). I'm more for "getting our name out there". [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 08:56, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		We're a community, but we have different goals than other BSG communities. Those goals may not appeal as much to many potential female (and male, for that matter) contributors as, say, the ability to write fan-fiction, discuss potential relationships, or the ability to write whatever they like under their own name with a guarantee that it won't be altered/improved/deleted. I am all for bringing in new contributors, male or female, but I'm against compromising our stated goals to do so (not that anyone is saying that's the plan). I'm more for "getting our name out there". [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 08:56, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
	:I concur. However, that being said... where are the women (anyway)? Even granting our strict encyclopedic mission, there are still (I imagine) a tremendous amount of female encyclopedic contributors at Wikipedia. Why none here? Is it simply probability/statistics? (They do have a much larger sample size to work with than we do.) I'm not sure. I have, in the past, made [[Battlestar_Wiki:Wikipedian_Quorum/~~Archive02~~#.22Relationships.22_Article\|suggestions]] to try to start topics that might be of more interest to a "female demographic", but they were (justifiably) determined to compromise the BW:NOT encyclopedic mission. I don't have any answers, though. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 09:31, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		:I concur. However, that being said... where are the women (anyway)? Even granting our strict encyclopedic mission, there are still (I imagine) a tremendous amount of female encyclopedic contributors at Wikipedia. Why none here? Is it simply probability/statistics? (They do have a much larger sample size to work with than we do.) I'm not sure. I have, in the past, made [[Battlestar_Wiki:Wikipedian_Quorum/Archive2#.22Relationships.22_Article\|suggestions]] to try to start topics that might be of more interest to a "female demographic", but they were (justifiably) determined to compromise the BW:NOT encyclopedic mission. I don't have any answers, though. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 09:31, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
	:Like I said on the blog, I agree that we should get our name out there. That should be possible without compromising [[BW:IS]] or [[BW:NOT]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:52, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		:Like I said on the blog, I agree that we should get our name out there. That should be possible without compromising [[BW:IS]] or [[BW:NOT]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:52, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
	::I posted a personal response on the article's blog (it should be available after its blog admin clears it) that clarifies what we are (I didn't speak on behalf of the wiki, but just clarified our mission) and put my 2 cents in about BSG, female contributors, and the one homosexual note in the entire RDM show: the Caprica-Six/Three/Baltar threesome from "[[Hero]]" (which should be funny to them as Lucy Lawless, whose Xena character has many homosexual fans and a strong overall fanbase). --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:24, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		::I posted a personal response on the article's blog (it should be available after its blog admin clears it) that clarifies what we are (I didn't speak on behalf of the wiki, but just clarified our mission) and put my 2 cents in about BSG, female contributors, and the one homosexual note in the entire RDM show: the Caprica-Six/Three/Baltar threesome from "[[Hero]]" (which should be funny to them as Lucy Lawless, whose Xena character has many homosexual fans and a strong overall fanbase). --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:24, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Aheaslip: /* An issue of communication */

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An issue of communication

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	:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
			:Hi, female fan here, relatively new to the Wiki. I'm part of a podcasting trio about the show, and the blog responses and call-ins we get appear to be about 90% male and 10% female. Unfortunately I think there's some deeply-rooted gender difference in sci-fi in general for a variety of reasons, many of them outmoded. Even though plenty of women may watch the show, I think they're less likely to identiy themselves as sci-fi fans (and therefore less often explore the on-line communities such as the Wiki). Not to get off-point, but this is also true of people of color. Sci-fi has been a young, white guy domain for a while. At this point I don't think women feel unwelcome - I think they just need to have the idea planted that this stuff is FUN and something that other girls do, too. A way to "attract" female BSG fans might be to think like a marketer: how are female sci-fi fans different from run-of-the-mill ladies (we are- smarter, I'd say ;) and what type of rhetoric, artwork, etc. appeals to that type of women? Sorry to be vague, but I agree with the issue's importance. It's not about representation or "forcing" a minority voice into the scene - it's about making sure all the people already in the scene know they can and should be part of the Wiki.--[[User:Aheaslip\|Aheaslip]] 17:29, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* An issue of communication */ tweak

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	:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>		:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
	:: The [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org QuantCast external data] supports the fact that we have a slighly larger male audience than a female one; but our active contributor body is mostly male. Also, we need to note that we've never actively collected gender information (via polls, as Spence suggested) until Toton's paper. Furthermore, the other language wikis are even considered as part of our contributor group by Toton's paper; we have female administrators and contributors on the other wikis as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:: The [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org QuantCast external data] supports the fact that we have a slighly larger male audience than a female one; but our active contributor body is mostly male. Also, we need to note that we've never actively collected gender information (via polls, as Spence suggested) until Toton's paper. Furthermore, the other language wikis are not even considered as part of our contributor group by Toton's paper; we have female administrators and contributors on the other wikis as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* An issue of communication */ replies

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An issue of communication: replies

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	:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>		:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
			:: The [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org QuantCast external data] supports the fact that we have a slighly larger male audience than a female one; but our active contributor body is mostly male. Also, we need to note that we've never actively collected gender information (via polls, as Spence suggested) until Toton's paper. Furthermore, the other language wikis are even considered as part of our contributor group by Toton's paper; we have female administrators and contributors on the other wikis as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
			::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Catrope: /* An issue of communication */ reply

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An issue of communication: reply

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	:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>		:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
			:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Spencerian: /* An issue of communication */

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An issue of communication

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	:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
			:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>

Serenity: /* An issue of communication */

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An issue of communication

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	So I propose that we shelve this proposal and make a new plan to investigate this issue. Thoughts. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 09:44, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		So I propose that we shelve this proposal and make a new plan to investigate this issue. Thoughts. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 09:44, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

			:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: An issue of communication

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An issue of communication

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	:I don't see anything against a "Sexuality in the Twelve Colonies" or maybe "Sexuality in Battlestar Galactica" article, as long as we stick to the facts. Any homosexual pairings (except for the threesome maybe) are just fantasy, but there is enough other stuff to go on, as noted above. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:38, 2 May 2007 (CDT)		:I don't see anything against a "Sexuality in the Twelve Colonies" or maybe "Sexuality in Battlestar Galactica" article, as long as we stick to the facts. Any homosexual pairings (except for the threesome maybe) are just fantasy, but there is enough other stuff to go on, as noted above. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:38, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

			== An issue of communication ==

			I don't think we're going to get anywhere by discussing what "females" are looking for since those who are noting this issue haven't been forthcoming... and those women who are forthcoming are, in fact, actually offering other issues for why there aren't more female contributors. (These range from simply not wanting to invest the time to the fact that contributors don't know exactly what they have to contribute.) I've gone so far as to promote discussions on the feministsf.com blog, with little results from those discussions.

			So I propose that we shelve this proposal and make a new plan to investigate this issue. Thoughts. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 09:44, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Serenity: /* Missing Articles */ on topic comment about sexuality article

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Missing Articles: on topic comment about sexuality article

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	:::::Ah, now I remember. While we know that there is certainly prostitution on ''Cloud 9'' (Shevon), that's one of the cases where I take the final result over the podcast exposition (and that last comment seem more like a joke anyways). Gina's revulsion towards sex is an addition by Tricia Helfer for which she campaigned for. The writers didn't really think of how she would feel after being gang raped for weeks or so. But they agreed with her, and that's how it ended up on screen, thus - at least for me - negating the earlier plans. But that's kinda off topic now. Maybe move it to [[Gina]] if anyone is interested to discuss this further? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:29, 2 May 2007 (CDT)		:::::Ah, now I remember. While we know that there is certainly prostitution on ''Cloud 9'' (Shevon), that's one of the cases where I take the final result over the podcast exposition (and that last comment seem more like a joke anyways). Gina's revulsion towards sex is an addition by Tricia Helfer for which she campaigned for. The writers didn't really think of how she would feel after being gang raped for weeks or so. But they agreed with her, and that's how it ended up on screen, thus - at least for me - negating the earlier plans. But that's kinda off topic now. Maybe move it to [[Gina]] if anyone is interested to discuss this further? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:29, 2 May 2007 (CDT)


			:I don't see anything against a "Sexuality in the Twelve Colonies" or maybe "Sexuality in Battlestar Galactica" article, as long as we stick to the facts. Any homosexual pairings (except for the threesome maybe) are just fantasy, but there is enough other stuff to go on, as noted above. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:38, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

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	We're a community, but we have different goals than other BSG communities. Those goals may not appeal as much to many potential female (and male, for that matter) contributors as, say, the ability to write fan-fiction, discuss potential relationships, or the ability to write whatever they like under their own name with a guarantee that it won't be altered/improved/deleted. I am all for bringing in new contributors, male or female, but I'm against compromising our stated goals to do so (not that anyone is saying that's the plan). I'm more for "getting our name out there". [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 08:56, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		We're a community, but we have different goals than other BSG communities. Those goals may not appeal as much to many potential female (and male, for that matter) contributors as, say, the ability to write fan-fiction, discuss potential relationships, or the ability to write whatever they like under their own name with a guarantee that it won't be altered/improved/deleted. I am all for bringing in new contributors, male or female, but I'm against compromising our stated goals to do so (not that anyone is saying that's the plan). I'm more for "getting our name out there". [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 08:56, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
	:I concur. However, that being said... where are the women (anyway)? Even granting our strict encyclopedic mission, there are still (I imagine) a tremendous amount of female encyclopedic contributors at Wikipedia. Why none here? Is it simply probability/statistics? (They do have a much larger sample size to work with than we do.) I'm not sure. I have, in the past, made [[Battlestar_Wiki:Wikipedian_Quorum/~~Archive02~~#.22Relationships.22_Article\|suggestions]] to try to start topics that might be of more interest to a "female demographic", but they were (justifiably) determined to compromise the BW:NOT encyclopedic mission. I don't have any answers, though. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 09:31, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		:I concur. However, that being said... where are the women (anyway)? Even granting our strict encyclopedic mission, there are still (I imagine) a tremendous amount of female encyclopedic contributors at Wikipedia. Why none here? Is it simply probability/statistics? (They do have a much larger sample size to work with than we do.) I'm not sure. I have, in the past, made [[Battlestar_Wiki:Wikipedian_Quorum/Archive2#.22Relationships.22_Article\|suggestions]] to try to start topics that might be of more interest to a "female demographic", but they were (justifiably) determined to compromise the BW:NOT encyclopedic mission. I don't have any answers, though. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 09:31, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
	:Like I said on the blog, I agree that we should get our name out there. That should be possible without compromising [[BW:IS]] or [[BW:NOT]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:52, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		:Like I said on the blog, I agree that we should get our name out there. That should be possible without compromising [[BW:IS]] or [[BW:NOT]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:52, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
	::I posted a personal response on the article's blog (it should be available after its blog admin clears it) that clarifies what we are (I didn't speak on behalf of the wiki, but just clarified our mission) and put my 2 cents in about BSG, female contributors, and the one homosexual note in the entire RDM show: the Caprica-Six/Three/Baltar threesome from "[[Hero]]" (which should be funny to them as Lucy Lawless, whose Xena character has many homosexual fans and a strong overall fanbase). --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:24, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		::I posted a personal response on the article's blog (it should be available after its blog admin clears it) that clarifies what we are (I didn't speak on behalf of the wiki, but just clarified our mission) and put my 2 cents in about BSG, female contributors, and the one homosexual note in the entire RDM show: the Caprica-Six/Three/Baltar threesome from "[[Hero]]" (which should be funny to them as Lucy Lawless, whose Xena character has many homosexual fans and a strong overall fanbase). --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:24, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

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	:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
			:Hi, female fan here, relatively new to the Wiki. I'm part of a podcasting trio about the show, and the blog responses and call-ins we get appear to be about 90% male and 10% female. Unfortunately I think there's some deeply-rooted gender difference in sci-fi in general for a variety of reasons, many of them outmoded. Even though plenty of women may watch the show, I think they're less likely to identiy themselves as sci-fi fans (and therefore less often explore the on-line communities such as the Wiki). Not to get off-point, but this is also true of people of color. Sci-fi has been a young, white guy domain for a while. At this point I don't think women feel unwelcome - I think they just need to have the idea planted that this stuff is FUN and something that other girls do, too. A way to "attract" female BSG fans might be to think like a marketer: how are female sci-fi fans different from run-of-the-mill ladies (we are- smarter, I'd say ;) and what type of rhetoric, artwork, etc. appeals to that type of women? Sorry to be vague, but I agree with the issue's importance. It's not about representation or "forcing" a minority voice into the scene - it's about making sure all the people already in the scene know they can and should be part of the Wiki.--[[User:Aheaslip\|Aheaslip]] 17:29, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

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	:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>		:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
	:: The [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org QuantCast external data] supports the fact that we have a slighly larger male audience than a female one; but our active contributor body is mostly male. Also, we need to note that we've never actively collected gender information (via polls, as Spence suggested) until Toton's paper. Furthermore, the other language wikis are even considered as part of our contributor group by Toton's paper; we have female administrators and contributors on the other wikis as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:: The [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org QuantCast external data] supports the fact that we have a slighly larger male audience than a female one; but our active contributor body is mostly male. Also, we need to note that we've never actively collected gender information (via polls, as Spence suggested) until Toton's paper. Furthermore, the other language wikis are not even considered as part of our contributor group by Toton's paper; we have female administrators and contributors on the other wikis as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

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	:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>		:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
			:: The [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org QuantCast external data] supports the fact that we have a slighly larger male audience than a female one; but our active contributor body is mostly male. Also, we need to note that we've never actively collected gender information (via polls, as Spence suggested) until Toton's paper. Furthermore, the other language wikis are even considered as part of our contributor group by Toton's paper; we have female administrators and contributors on the other wikis as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
			::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

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	:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
	:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>		:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) <sup>([[User_Talk:Spencerian\|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian\|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian\|Edit Skillz]])</sup>
			:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)