Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/CSS Layout - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:53:53Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Shane: Very Important

2006-08-05T17:29:25Z

Very Important

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	# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

			== Very Important ==

			<big>Please check out the [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay/index.php/Main_Page Hangerbay]. I got images to work so you can see it with some flare. :) --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:29, 5 August 2006 (CDT)</big>

Spencerian: /* Vote */

2006-07-26T20:11:30Z

Vote

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	:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)		:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	::I have no objection to that, but I'm not sure that's what everyone else is voting on, or what Shane asked us about. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)		::I have no objection to that, but I'm not sure that's what everyone else is voting on, or what Shane asked us about. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -		# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] - {{Neutral}}. I sometimes get my eyes in a twist over the high contrast of our red on black theme. It would be nice to go to the "white" Wikipedia style (provided we don't break existing appearances on articles) as a second option, but to give everyone a list of several possible color styles? This is a wiki, not an episode of "How Do I Look?". --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

CalculatinAvatar: /* Vote */ sign

2006-07-24T09:15:45Z

Vote: sign

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	# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] - {{support}} [[BW:CSS]], use of classes with formatting defined in CSS over in-situ formatting {{oppose}} change of default theme (for now, at least)		# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] - {{support}} [[BW:CSS]], use of classes with formatting defined in CSS over in-situ formatting {{oppose}} change of default theme (for now, at least) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar\|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar\|T]])</sup> 04:15, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -

CalculatinAvatar: /* Vote */ pro-BW:CSS, pro-CSS over in-situ styling, anti-change of default theme

2006-07-24T09:15:02Z

Vote: pro-BW:CSS, pro-CSS over in-situ styling, anti-change of default theme

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	# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] -		# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] - {{support}} [[BW:CSS]], use of classes with formatting defined in CSS over in-situ formatting {{oppose}} change of default theme (for now, at least)
	# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -

April Arcus: /* Vote */

2006-07-20T20:38:53Z

Vote

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	# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?		# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?
	:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)		:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
			::I have no objection to that, but I'm not sure that's what everyone else is voting on, or what Shane asked us about. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -		# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -
	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

Steelviper: /* Vote */ + comment response

2006-07-20T19:57:01Z

Vote: + comment response

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	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -
	# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?		# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?
			:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -		# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -
	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

April Arcus: /* Vote */

2006-07-20T19:48:52Z

Vote

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	# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -
	# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] -		# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?
	# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -		# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -
	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Vote */ voting

2006-07-20T02:30:33Z

Vote: voting

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	# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] -		# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] -		# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] -
	# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

Day: /* Vote */ Consider that my vote, then.

2006-07-19T20:07:20Z

Vote: Consider that my vote, then.

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	# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] -		# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] -
	# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would support a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would oppose installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -
	# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] -		# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] -

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	:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)		:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	::I have no objection to that, but I'm not sure that's what everyone else is voting on, or what Shane asked us about. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)		::I have no objection to that, but I'm not sure that's what everyone else is voting on, or what Shane asked us about. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -		# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] - {{Neutral}}. I sometimes get my eyes in a twist over the high contrast of our red on black theme. It would be nice to go to the "white" Wikipedia style (provided we don't break existing appearances on articles) as a second option, but to give everyone a list of several possible color styles? This is a wiki, not an episode of "How Do I Look?". --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

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	# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] - {{support}} [[BW:CSS]], use of classes with formatting defined in CSS over in-situ formatting {{oppose}} change of default theme (for now, at least)		# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] - {{support}} [[BW:CSS]], use of classes with formatting defined in CSS over in-situ formatting {{oppose}} change of default theme (for now, at least) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar\|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar\|T]])</sup> 04:15, 24 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -

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	# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{support}} I support the creation of [[BW:CSS]], but {{oppose}} the installation of the Hangar Bay style as default. (This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in the choices via the user preferences page, but as default, I'd rather K.I.S.S.) We also have people on dial up to consider as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:30, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] -		# [[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] - {{support}} [[BW:CSS]], use of classes with formatting defined in CSS over in-situ formatting {{oppose}} change of default theme (for now, at least)
	# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -

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	# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?		# [[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?
	:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)		:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
			::I have no objection to that, but I'm not sure that's what everyone else is voting on, or what Shane asked us about. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -		# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] -
	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} A project page to show benefits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 06:59, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# {{Support}} - We can always have this "style" installed also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 13:03, 19 July 2006 (CDT)

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	#I'm personally quite fond of monobook, and I don't care for the redesign featured at the hangar bay; and although an intense design critique could improve it, I don't think it's worth our energy. The leads to my second point:		#I'm personally quite fond of monobook, and I don't care for the redesign featured at the hangar bay; and although an intense design critique could improve it, I don't think it's worth our energy. The leads to my second point:
	#Monobook, and other projects which we inherit from the MediaWiki project, are worked on and approved by large groups with more design sense, creativity, and enthusiasm than we can ever hope to muster on our small corner of the internet. To think otherwise strikes me as hubris. This is one of those situations where I vastly prefer deferring to other experts rather than trying to do something ourselves.		#Monobook, and other projects which we inherit from the MediaWiki project, are worked on and approved by large groups with more design sense, creativity, and enthusiasm than we can ever hope to muster on our small corner of the internet. To think otherwise strikes me as hubris. This is one of those situations where I vastly prefer deferring to other experts rather than trying to do something ourselves.
	--[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:56, 10 July 2006 (CDT)		--[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:56, 10 July 2006 (CDT)

	:I agree. I like what we already have, and it would be a lot of energy for a comparatively minor change. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:59, 10 July 2006 (CDT)		:I agree. I like what we already have, and it would be a lot of energy for a comparatively minor change. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:59, 10 July 2006 (CDT)
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	:i'll dig up the link. -- [[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 15:33, 11 July 2006 (CDT)		:i'll dig up the link. -- [[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 15:33, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

	:The use of CSS isn't at issue - MediaWiki already produces very clean markup which can be styled practically at will. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 15:37, 11 July 2006 (CDT)		:The use of CSS isn't at issue - MediaWiki already produces very clean markup which can be styled practically at will. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 15:37, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

	:: Yes, Peter, but most of our styling is done in-line, which doesn't lend itsself to standardization. For instance, all the places where color is specified in-line need to be given classes and those classes added to each .css we have. Maybe I'm entirely misunderstanding Shane's proposal and I need to make my own to this purpose. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]])</sup> 16:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)		:: Yes, Peter, but most of our styling is done in-line, which doesn't lend itsself to standardization. For instance, all the places where color is specified in-line need to be given classes and those classes added to each .css we have. Maybe I'm entirely misunderstanding Shane's proposal and I need to make my own to this purpose. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]])</sup> 16:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

	:::I understood that Shane wanted to replace our current default skin outright with the version on display at the hangar bar. I agree that inline styles in templates should be done away with. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:33, 11 July 2006 (CDT)		:::I understood that Shane wanted to replace our current default skin outright with the version on display at the hangar bar. I agree that inline styles in templates should be done away with. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:33, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

	::This is the "CSS" file being used right now on the Hangerbay: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay/skins/bsgbook/main.css Now all the elements Above the line:		::This is the "CSS" file being used right now on the Hangerbay: http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay/skins/bsgbook/main.css Now all the elements Above the line:
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	# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Day\|Day]] - <nowiki>{{confused}}</nowiki> How can we support or oppose something that is multiple choice? I would {{support}} a project page for working on the CSS use on this site. I would {{oppose}} installing the CSS as it stands over at the demo site. --[[User:Day\|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day\|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard\|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS])</sup> 02:22, 19 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -		# [[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] -
	# [[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?		# [[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] - '''Comment:''' What are we even voting on? A new default theme? Which is it?
	:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)		:'''Comment:'''Currently a lot of our "style" elements are hard coded, which makes using different themes more difficult (since the boxes and lines and text end up with their hardcoded style which can clash badly with the theme, making things ugly at best and illegible at worst). If we better define our CSS code (not only in the theme, but also in using the CSS classes instead of hardcoding the style) it'd be easier to install/use different themes. For example, it'd be nice to be able to use a theme like Wikipedia's vanilla monobook, but at present some of our text areas and messageboxes VERY difficult to read using that. So the project could help outline what kind of changes would need to be made (to templates to use the CSS, to articles in order to remove any hardcoding and use the CSS classes). So it's not really so much about changing the default theme, so much as changing how we currently implement the default theme (and better allowing for other themes).--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:57, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	::I have no objection to that, but I'm not sure that's what everyone else is voting on, or what Shane asked us about. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)		::I have no objection to that, but I'm not sure that's what everyone else is voting on, or what Shane asked us about. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 15:38, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] - {{Neutral}}. I sometimes get my eyes in a twist over the high contrast of our red on black theme. It would be nice to go to the "white" Wikipedia style (provided we don't break existing appearances on articles) as a second option, but to give everyone a list of several possible color styles? This is a wiki, not an episode of "How Do I Look?". --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] - {{Neutral}}. I sometimes get my eyes in a twist over the high contrast of our red on black theme. It would be nice to go to the "white" Wikipedia style (provided we don't break existing appearances on articles) as a second option, but to give everyone a list of several possible color styles? This is a wiki, not an episode of "How Do I Look?". --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:11, 26 July 2006 (CDT)
	# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)		# [[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} I like the project page idea. This is an inherently abstract project, and having a place to lay out some example code, etc., would benefit it. A possible big win (long-term). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:42, 19 July 2006 (CDT)