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Spencerian: /* Final Report */ --Acknowledgement

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Final Report: --Acknowledgement

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	::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)		::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
	::::I have added the pertinent documents that lead to the ban. Having fulfilled my promise, I now consider this issue ended. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:29, 5 October 2006 (CDT)		::::I have added the pertinent documents that lead to the ban. Having fulfilled my promise, I now consider this issue ended. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:29, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
			:::::Thanks, Joe. I read it all, and, given the exposure of the wiki, the libel issues, and questions on representation (not to mention pissing off RDM's wife and other powers that be), I concur that Merv's ban is an extraordinary case that merited the executive action. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:49, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Final Report */ reply

2006-10-06T02:29:51Z

Final Report: reply

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	::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
	::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)		::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
			::::I have added the pertinent documents that lead to the ban. Having fulfilled my promise, I now consider this issue ended. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:29, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Final Report */ update

2006-10-03T21:39:49Z

Final Report: update

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	::::I appreciate the points that Joe made, but especially the liability issue. The philosophy of a wiki doesn't protect anyone legalally. Personal attacks are easily documented here since nothing is truly removed, and the last thing anyone here wants is to be sued for libel since this is less of a personal document but intended as a reference. Note the recent tainted bio on Wikipedia that got the place far too much and the wrong type of publicity. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:55, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		::::I appreciate the points that Joe made, but especially the liability issue. The philosophy of a wiki doesn't protect anyone legalally. Personal attacks are easily documented here since nothing is truly removed, and the last thing anyone here wants is to be sued for libel since this is less of a personal document but intended as a reference. Note the recent tainted bio on Wikipedia that got the place far too much and the wrong type of publicity. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:55, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
	::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
			::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

April Arcus: /* Final Report */

2006-10-01T03:56:41Z

Final Report

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	::::I appreciate the points that Joe made, but especially the liability issue. The philosophy of a wiki doesn't protect anyone legalally. Personal attacks are easily documented here since nothing is truly removed, and the last thing anyone here wants is to be sued for libel since this is less of a personal document but intended as a reference. Note the recent tainted bio on Wikipedia that got the place far too much and the wrong type of publicity. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:55, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		::::I appreciate the points that Joe made, but especially the liability issue. The philosophy of a wiki doesn't protect anyone legalally. Personal attacks are easily documented here since nothing is truly removed, and the last thing anyone here wants is to be sued for libel since this is less of a personal document but intended as a reference. Note the recent tainted bio on Wikipedia that got the place far too much and the wrong type of publicity. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:55, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
			::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)

Spencerian: Reply

2006-10-01T02:55:51Z

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	:::As for the RFC process, Merv has a history of gaming things. Take a look at his previous RFCs (notably his first two), which he attempted to recruit people to vote in his favor -- this gaming lead to my unilateral change to dismiss all votes for people who have had accounts for one month. Remember this? I certainly do. (All this recruiting, incluidng recruiting people to defend him after the ban here, will be included in the document.) I will '''heavily stress that Requests for Comment are not a banning mechanism either: it is a means of identifying a problem and finding a solution.''' A near perfect example of this is the RFC on Shane, which fixed a problem you yourself had regarding his contributions, and resulted in the creation of a successful meachism in the form of the Think Tank.		:::As for the RFC process, Merv has a history of gaming things. Take a look at his previous RFCs (notably his first two), which he attempted to recruit people to vote in his favor -- this gaming lead to my unilateral change to dismiss all votes for people who have had accounts for one month. Remember this? I certainly do. (All this recruiting, incluidng recruiting people to defend him after the ban here, will be included in the document.) I will '''heavily stress that Requests for Comment are not a banning mechanism either: it is a means of identifying a problem and finding a solution.''' A near perfect example of this is the RFC on Shane, which fixed a problem you yourself had regarding his contributions, and resulted in the creation of a successful meachism in the form of the Think Tank.
	:::Ultimately, we've already have had an unfiled RFC on him; we knew his behavior, we knew the treatment, and he duped us with good behavior on wiki while using bad behavior on the outside (with our name attached). And he scared off people on-wiki doing so, which was the last straw for me as the legal point of contact and operator of Battlestar Wiki. Scaring off people due to horrid behavior is, by me, wholly unacceptable and it is a bannable offense. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 20:04, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		:::Ultimately, we've already have had an unfiled RFC on him; we knew his behavior, we knew the treatment, and he duped us with good behavior on wiki while using bad behavior on the outside (with our name attached). And he scared off people on-wiki doing so, which was the last straw for me as the legal point of contact and operator of Battlestar Wiki. Scaring off people due to horrid behavior is, by me, wholly unacceptable and it is a bannable offense. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 20:04, 30 September 2006 (CDT)

			::::I appreciate the points that Joe made, but especially the liability issue. The philosophy of a wiki doesn't protect anyone legalally. Personal attacks are easily documented here since nothing is truly removed, and the last thing anyone here wants is to be sued for libel since this is less of a personal document but intended as a reference. Note the recent tainted bio on Wikipedia that got the place far too much and the wrong type of publicity. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:55, 30 September 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Final Report */ fixing wikipedia link

2006-10-01T01:05:01Z

Final Report: fixing wikipedia link

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	:::I agree. So the document will be available by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. As you yourself realize, Merv is a special case for the wiki. His history with the wiki and its members has always been torrid; we've always tried to correct Merv's behavior when it reared its ugly head.		:::I agree. So the document will be available by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. As you yourself realize, Merv is a special case for the wiki. His history with the wiki and its members has always been torrid; we've always tried to correct Merv's behavior when it reared its ugly head.
	:::I don't want to start any ambiguous precedents myself; that ssaid, this is an executive decision, and I do have, ultimately, the right to ban. Merv has nearly scared off many contributors, who don't care to bring up the issue, and I will not tolerate this; I have grown weary of playing "peace keeper" when dealing with Merv and cleaning up after his actions. With Merv gone, I find that I have much more time to develop Battlestar Wiki as a resource, which is the ultimate goal. Those who have I talked to also agree with me on this.		:::I don't want to start any ambiguous precedents myself; that ssaid, this is an executive decision, and I do have, ultimately, the right to ban. Merv has nearly scared off many contributors, who don't care to bring up the issue, and I will not tolerate this; I have grown weary of playing "peace keeper" when dealing with Merv and cleaning up after his actions. With Merv gone, I find that I have much more time to develop Battlestar Wiki as a resource, which is the ultimate goal. Those who have I talked to also agree with me on this.
	:::The reason the off-wiki stuff is important is because Merv made it important. Otherwise, I would be in full agreement with you when you said that what people think of us personally off-wiki is irrelevant. Everyone has enemies. Merv just makes more of them, perhaps intentionally... Hell, he attempted to use us as a springboard to legitimize his defamation of Jim Iaccino and made you, myself, and the whole wiki look like fools in the process. He fancied himself as a prolific contributor who "practically runs Battlestar Wiki" and he went so far as to stick an unauthorized signature plate to the bottom of his SciFi posts, even after the institution of the [[BW:OR]]. He has a history both on and off-wiki of scaring off people via personal attacks. He even did this roughly 30 days after I instituted the banning, using Asperger's Syndrome as an insult, which sickens me on a pesonal level as I myself am a [[High-functioning autism\|functional autistic with Apsergers]]. (A fact I reveal to very few, since it's really no one's business.)		:::The reason the off-wiki stuff is important is because Merv made it important. Otherwise, I would be in full agreement with you when you said that what people think of us personally off-wiki is irrelevant. Everyone has enemies. Merv just makes more of them, perhaps intentionally... Hell, he attempted to use us as a springboard to legitimize his defamation of Jim Iaccino and made you, myself, and the whole wiki look like fools in the process. He fancied himself as a prolific contributor who "practically runs Battlestar Wiki" and he went so far as to stick an unauthorized signature plate to the bottom of his SciFi posts, even after the institution of the [[BW:OR]]. He has a history both on and off-wiki of scaring off people via personal attacks. He even did this roughly 30 days after I instituted the banning, using Asperger's Syndrome as an insult, which sickens me on a pesonal level as I myself am a [[w:High-functioning autism\|functional autistic with Apsergers]]. (A fact I reveal to very few, since it's really no one's business.)
	:::As for the RFC process, Merv has a history of gaming things. Take a look at his previous RFCs (notably his first two), which he attempted to recruit people to vote in his favor -- this gaming lead to my unilateral change to dismiss all votes for people who have had accounts for one month. Remember this? I certainly do. (All this recruiting, incluidng recruiting people to defend him after the ban here, will be included in the document.) I will '''heavily stress that Requests for Comment are not a banning mechanism either: it is a means of identifying a problem and finding a solution.''' A near perfect example of this is the RFC on Shane, which fixed a problem you yourself had regarding his contributions, and resulted in the creation of a successful meachism in the form of the Think Tank.		:::As for the RFC process, Merv has a history of gaming things. Take a look at his previous RFCs (notably his first two), which he attempted to recruit people to vote in his favor -- this gaming lead to my unilateral change to dismiss all votes for people who have had accounts for one month. Remember this? I certainly do. (All this recruiting, incluidng recruiting people to defend him after the ban here, will be included in the document.) I will '''heavily stress that Requests for Comment are not a banning mechanism either: it is a means of identifying a problem and finding a solution.''' A near perfect example of this is the RFC on Shane, which fixed a problem you yourself had regarding his contributions, and resulted in the creation of a successful meachism in the form of the Think Tank.
	:::Ultimately, we've already have had an unfiled RFC on him; we knew his behavior, we knew the treatment, and he duped us with good behavior on wiki while using bad behavior on the outside (with our name attached). And he scared off people on-wiki doing so, which was the last straw for me as the legal point of contact and operator of Battlestar Wiki. Scaring off people due to horrid behavior is, by me, wholly unacceptable and it is a bannable offense. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 20:04, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		:::Ultimately, we've already have had an unfiled RFC on him; we knew his behavior, we knew the treatment, and he duped us with good behavior on wiki while using bad behavior on the outside (with our name attached). And he scared off people on-wiki doing so, which was the last straw for me as the legal point of contact and operator of Battlestar Wiki. Scaring off people due to horrid behavior is, by me, wholly unacceptable and it is a bannable offense. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 20:04, 30 September 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Final Report */ reply

2006-10-01T01:04:12Z

Final Report: reply

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	: I understand the disappointment; I just haven't had the time to put together something. As of right now, I'm working six days a week (and it's not even holiday season yet) and have personal issues of my own to contend with. I also went on vacation two weeks ago, so I was pretty much focused on R&R, since this holiday season is looking like a tough one for me and my crew (I'm short staffed by one full timer and I don't have any seasonal help yet, if that gives you any idea). Also, Merv stated publicly on the SCIFI.com board three or so weeks ago that he wanted the issue dropped, so we respected his wishes in that regard and didn't press further. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 01:18, 29 September 2006 (CDT)		: I understand the disappointment; I just haven't had the time to put together something. As of right now, I'm working six days a week (and it's not even holiday season yet) and have personal issues of my own to contend with. I also went on vacation two weeks ago, so I was pretty much focused on R&R, since this holiday season is looking like a tough one for me and my crew (I'm short staffed by one full timer and I don't have any seasonal help yet, if that gives you any idea). Also, Merv stated publicly on the SCIFI.com board three or so weeks ago that he wanted the issue dropped, so we respected his wishes in that regard and didn't press further. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 01:18, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
	::Regardless of Merv's wishes, it's important that we document the situation in order to avoid an ambiguous precedent. I presume Merv was banned for a good enough reason to justify bypassing the normal RFC process. The rest of us deserve to know what that reason was. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:33, 29 September 2006 (CDT)		::Regardless of Merv's wishes, it's important that we document the situation in order to avoid an ambiguous precedent. I presume Merv was banned for a good enough reason to justify bypassing the normal RFC process. The rest of us deserve to know what that reason was. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:33, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
			:::I agree. So the document will be available by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. As you yourself realize, Merv is a special case for the wiki. His history with the wiki and its members has always been torrid; we've always tried to correct Merv's behavior when it reared its ugly head.
			:::I don't want to start any ambiguous precedents myself; that ssaid, this is an executive decision, and I do have, ultimately, the right to ban. Merv has nearly scared off many contributors, who don't care to bring up the issue, and I will not tolerate this; I have grown weary of playing "peace keeper" when dealing with Merv and cleaning up after his actions. With Merv gone, I find that I have much more time to develop Battlestar Wiki as a resource, which is the ultimate goal. Those who have I talked to also agree with me on this.
			:::The reason the off-wiki stuff is important is because Merv made it important. Otherwise, I would be in full agreement with you when you said that what people think of us personally off-wiki is irrelevant. Everyone has enemies. Merv just makes more of them, perhaps intentionally... Hell, he attempted to use us as a springboard to legitimize his defamation of Jim Iaccino and made you, myself, and the whole wiki look like fools in the process. He fancied himself as a prolific contributor who "practically runs Battlestar Wiki" and he went so far as to stick an unauthorized signature plate to the bottom of his SciFi posts, even after the institution of the [[BW:OR]]. He has a history both on and off-wiki of scaring off people via personal attacks. He even did this roughly 30 days after I instituted the banning, using Asperger's Syndrome as an insult, which sickens me on a pesonal level as I myself am a [[High-functioning autism\|functional autistic with Apsergers]]. (A fact I reveal to very few, since it's really no one's business.)
			:::As for the RFC process, Merv has a history of gaming things. Take a look at his previous RFCs (notably his first two), which he attempted to recruit people to vote in his favor -- this gaming lead to my unilateral change to dismiss all votes for people who have had accounts for one month. Remember this? I certainly do. (All this recruiting, incluidng recruiting people to defend him after the ban here, will be included in the document.) I will '''heavily stress that Requests for Comment are not a banning mechanism either: it is a means of identifying a problem and finding a solution.''' A near perfect example of this is the RFC on Shane, which fixed a problem you yourself had regarding his contributions, and resulted in the creation of a successful meachism in the form of the Think Tank.
			:::Ultimately, we've already have had an unfiled RFC on him; we knew his behavior, we knew the treatment, and he duped us with good behavior on wiki while using bad behavior on the outside (with our name attached). And he scared off people on-wiki doing so, which was the last straw for me as the legal point of contact and operator of Battlestar Wiki. Scaring off people due to horrid behavior is, by me, wholly unacceptable and it is a bannable offense. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 20:04, 30 September 2006 (CDT)

April Arcus: /* Final Report */

2006-09-29T06:33:01Z

Final Report

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	I am extremely disappointed that Shane and Joe's effort to create a comprehensive document of The Merovingian's recent behavior issues appears to have been abandoned. Has there been any progress on this? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:32, 29 September 2006 (CDT)		I am extremely disappointed that Shane and Joe's effort to create a comprehensive document of The Merovingian's recent behavior issues appears to have been abandoned. Has there been any progress on this? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:32, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
	: I understand the disappointment; I just haven't had the time to put together something. As of right now, I'm working six days a week (and it's not even holiday season yet) and have personal issues of my own to contend with. I also went on vacation two weeks ago, so I was pretty much focused on R&R, since this holiday season is looking like a tough one for me and my crew (I'm short staffed by one full timer and I don't have any seasonal help yet, if that gives you any idea). Also, Merv stated publicly on the SCIFI.com board three or so weeks ago that he wanted the issue dropped, so we respected his wishes in that regard and didn't press further. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 01:18, 29 September 2006 (CDT)		: I understand the disappointment; I just haven't had the time to put together something. As of right now, I'm working six days a week (and it's not even holiday season yet) and have personal issues of my own to contend with. I also went on vacation two weeks ago, so I was pretty much focused on R&R, since this holiday season is looking like a tough one for me and my crew (I'm short staffed by one full timer and I don't have any seasonal help yet, if that gives you any idea). Also, Merv stated publicly on the SCIFI.com board three or so weeks ago that he wanted the issue dropped, so we respected his wishes in that regard and didn't press further. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 01:18, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
			::Regardless of Merv's wishes, it's important that we document the situation in order to avoid an ambiguous precedent. I presume Merv was banned for a good enough reason to justify bypassing the normal RFC process. The rest of us deserve to know what that reason was. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:33, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Final Report */ reply

2006-09-29T06:18:34Z

Final Report: reply

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	==Final Report==		==Final Report==
	I am extremely disappointed that Shane and Joe's effort to create a comprehensive document of The Merovingian's recent behavior issues appears to have been abandoned. Has there been any progress on this? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:32, 29 September 2006 (CDT)		I am extremely disappointed that Shane and Joe's effort to create a comprehensive document of The Merovingian's recent behavior issues appears to have been abandoned. Has there been any progress on this? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:32, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
			: I understand the disappointment; I just haven't had the time to put together something. As of right now, I'm working six days a week (and it's not even holiday season yet) and have personal issues of my own to contend with. I also went on vacation two weeks ago, so I was pretty much focused on R&R, since this holiday season is looking like a tough one for me and my crew (I'm short staffed by one full timer and I don't have any seasonal help yet, if that gives you any idea). Also, Merv stated publicly on the SCIFI.com board three or so weeks ago that he wanted the issue dropped, so we respected his wishes in that regard and didn't press further. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 01:18, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

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	::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)		::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
	::::I have added the pertinent documents that lead to the ban. Having fulfilled my promise, I now consider this issue ended. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:29, 5 October 2006 (CDT)		::::I have added the pertinent documents that lead to the ban. Having fulfilled my promise, I now consider this issue ended. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:29, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
			:::::Thanks, Joe. I read it all, and, given the exposure of the wiki, the libel issues, and questions on representation (not to mention pissing off RDM's wife and other powers that be), I concur that Merv's ban is an extraordinary case that merited the executive action. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:49, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

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	::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
	::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)		::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
			::::I have added the pertinent documents that lead to the ban. Having fulfilled my promise, I now consider this issue ended. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:29, 5 October 2006 (CDT)

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	::::I appreciate the points that Joe made, but especially the liability issue. The philosophy of a wiki doesn't protect anyone legalally. Personal attacks are easily documented here since nothing is truly removed, and the last thing anyone here wants is to be sued for libel since this is less of a personal document but intended as a reference. Note the recent tainted bio on Wikipedia that got the place far too much and the wrong type of publicity. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:55, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		::::I appreciate the points that Joe made, but especially the liability issue. The philosophy of a wiki doesn't protect anyone legalally. Personal attacks are easily documented here since nothing is truly removed, and the last thing anyone here wants is to be sued for libel since this is less of a personal document but intended as a reference. Note the recent tainted bio on Wikipedia that got the place far too much and the wrong type of publicity. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:55, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
	::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)		::::For the record, I have forgotten none of Merv's past behavioral issues, and I am on the record as one of his staunchest critics during his earlier time here. It was my genuine impression that he had fully addressed his hostile tendencies, which was the basis for my [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3)\|RFA]] in July. The notion that he would return to his previous ways is not at all beyond my ability to imagine, but because his behavior here had been exemplary up to the time of his dismissal, and I was neither privy to nor interested in his off-wiki activities, I have no way of evaluating the merits of your executive action until some sort of formal statement is issued. Until then, I feel that I still owe Merv the benefit of the doubt, and the consequent lack of closure is unsettling to me. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:56, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
			::::Update: I'm stil waiting for more files in regard to the document from the people who've been helping me compile them. I don't know whether or not I'll be able to get them posted by tonight. As for the closure piece, there are Wikipedians involved who don't want to be targets of any reprisal from Merv (and don't care to deal with him at all, period), which is why they didn't come forward to file the RFCs themselves and sought administrator invervention. So I doubt you'll get the closure you are seeking in that regard, regrettably. Then again, it's not a perfect world out there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:39, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

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	I am extremely disappointed that Shane and Joe's effort to create a comprehensive document of The Merovingian's recent behavior issues appears to have been abandoned. Has there been any progress on this? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:32, 29 September 2006 (CDT)		I am extremely disappointed that Shane and Joe's effort to create a comprehensive document of The Merovingian's recent behavior issues appears to have been abandoned. Has there been any progress on this? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:32, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
	: I understand the disappointment; I just haven't had the time to put together something. As of right now, I'm working six days a week (and it's not even holiday season yet) and have personal issues of my own to contend with. I also went on vacation two weeks ago, so I was pretty much focused on R&R, since this holiday season is looking like a tough one for me and my crew (I'm short staffed by one full timer and I don't have any seasonal help yet, if that gives you any idea). Also, Merv stated publicly on the SCIFI.com board three or so weeks ago that he wanted the issue dropped, so we respected his wishes in that regard and didn't press further. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 01:18, 29 September 2006 (CDT)		: I understand the disappointment; I just haven't had the time to put together something. As of right now, I'm working six days a week (and it's not even holiday season yet) and have personal issues of my own to contend with. I also went on vacation two weeks ago, so I was pretty much focused on R&R, since this holiday season is looking like a tough one for me and my crew (I'm short staffed by one full timer and I don't have any seasonal help yet, if that gives you any idea). Also, Merv stated publicly on the SCIFI.com board three or so weeks ago that he wanted the issue dropped, so we respected his wishes in that regard and didn't press further. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 01:18, 29 September 2006 (CDT)
			::Regardless of Merv's wishes, it's important that we document the situation in order to avoid an ambiguous precedent. I presume Merv was banned for a good enough reason to justify bypassing the normal RFC process. The rest of us deserve to know what that reason was. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:33, 29 September 2006 (CDT)