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AlanHK: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */

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	::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a bit grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a bit grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

	:::::: I know how to edit a wiki, and anyway, under your current policy, I have no pretext to delete "spoilers", they are specifically allowed. The problem is I can't edit my memory. This is about policy, not asking you to "hold my hand". My experience of seasons 2 and 3 was literally spoiled by some asshole who thought it was cute to reveal that two characters were Cylons, facts not revealed to viewers for ~~30 or more~~ episodes after the one under discussion. Looking at this talk page, while the series was still on air, the discussion was about preventing spoilers from being shown. When it was finished, it went to justifying why spoilers should be allowed. That suits old fans, who've seen the whole thing, but ignores new viewers. If you retain your "spoilers anywhere, anytime" policy, no one will fix these things -- those edits have been in that article for almost three years now -- and new fans, like myself, will find this wiki, instead of enriching their appreciation of the series, diminishes it. But I can see you are getting ~~resentful of~~ my suggestions and I think it's time to end this discussion, as you clearly aren't receptive. [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 10:16, 12 July 2012 (EDT)		:::::: I know how to edit a wiki, and anyway, under your current policy, I have no pretext to delete "spoilers", they are specifically allowed. The problem is I can't edit my memory. This is about policy, not asking you to "hold my hand". My experience of seasons 2 and 3 was literally spoiled by some asshole who thought it was cute to reveal that two characters were Cylons, facts not revealed to viewers for 40 episodes after the one under discussion. Looking at this talk page, while the series was still on air, the discussion was about preventing spoilers from being shown. When it was finished, it went to justifying why spoilers should be allowed. That suits old fans, who've seen the whole thing, but ignores new viewers. If you retain your "spoilers anywhere, anytime" policy, no one will fix these things -- those edits have been in that article for almost three years now -- and new fans, like myself, will find this wiki, instead of enriching their appreciation of the series, diminishes it. But I can see you are getting annoyed by my suggestions and I think it's time to end this discussion, as you clearly aren't receptive. [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 10:16, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

AlanHK: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */

2012-07-12T14:40:46Z

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	::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a bit grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a bit grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

	:::::: I know how to edit a wiki~~. The problem is I can't edit my memory~~, and anyway, under your current policy, I have no pretext to delete "spoilers", they are specifically allowed. This is about policy, not asking you to "hold my hand". My experience of seasons 2 and 3 was literally spoiled by some asshole who thought it was cute to reveal that two characters were Cylons, facts not revealed to viewers for 30 or more episodes after the one under discussion. Looking at this talk page, while the series was still on air, the discussion was about preventing spoilers from being shown. When it was finished, it went to justifying why spoilers should be allowed. That suits old fans, who've seen the whole thing, but ignores new viewers. If you retain your "spoilers anywhere, anytime" policy, no one will fix these things -- those edits have been in that article for almost three years now -- and new fans, like myself, will find this wiki, instead of enriching their appreciation of the series, diminishes it. But I can see you are getting resentful of my suggestions and I think it's time to end this discussion, as you clearly aren't receptive. [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 10:16, 12 July 2012 (EDT)		:::::: I know how to edit a wiki, and anyway, under your current policy, I have no pretext to delete "spoilers", they are specifically allowed. The problem is I can't edit my memory. This is about policy, not asking you to "hold my hand". My experience of seasons 2 and 3 was literally spoiled by some asshole who thought it was cute to reveal that two characters were Cylons, facts not revealed to viewers for 30 or more episodes after the one under discussion. Looking at this talk page, while the series was still on air, the discussion was about preventing spoilers from being shown. When it was finished, it went to justifying why spoilers should be allowed. That suits old fans, who've seen the whole thing, but ignores new viewers. If you retain your "spoilers anywhere, anytime" policy, no one will fix these things -- those edits have been in that article for almost three years now -- and new fans, like myself, will find this wiki, instead of enriching their appreciation of the series, diminishes it. But I can see you are getting resentful of my suggestions and I think it's time to end this discussion, as you clearly aren't receptive. [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 10:16, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

AlanHK: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */

2012-07-12T14:16:48Z

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	::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a bit grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a bit grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

			:::::: I know how to edit a wiki. The problem is I can't edit my memory, and anyway, under your current policy, I have no pretext to delete "spoilers", they are specifically allowed. This is about policy, not asking you to "hold my hand". My experience of seasons 2 and 3 was literally spoiled by some asshole who thought it was cute to reveal that two characters were Cylons, facts not revealed to viewers for 30 or more episodes after the one under discussion. Looking at this talk page, while the series was still on air, the discussion was about preventing spoilers from being shown. When it was finished, it went to justifying why spoilers should be allowed. That suits old fans, who've seen the whole thing, but ignores new viewers. If you retain your "spoilers anywhere, anytime" policy, no one will fix these things -- those edits have been in that article for almost three years now -- and new fans, like myself, will find this wiki, instead of enriching their appreciation of the series, diminishes it. But I can see you are getting resentful of my suggestions and I think it's time to end this discussion, as you clearly aren't receptive. [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 10:16, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */

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	::::: Regarding traffic: We've ever only had a small amount of contributors vs. a large amount of traffic. That hasn't changed at all. Has nothing to do with policy, it's just that really active/creative fans are always outnumbered by the passive fans 100:1.		::::: Regarding traffic: We've ever only had a small amount of contributors vs. a large amount of traffic. That hasn't changed at all. Has nothing to do with policy, it's just that really active/creative fans are always outnumbered by the passive fans 100:1.

	::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a ~~big~~ grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a bit grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */ reply

2012-07-10T16:41:24Z

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	::::Why the hell was it necessary to put that in a season 2 article? Why weren't they linked as "Answers" elsewhere so the reader can choose whether they "want to view and see" it as you said? [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 09:07, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::::Why the hell was it necessary to put that in a season 2 article? Why weren't they linked as "Answers" elsewhere so the reader can choose whether they "want to view and see" it as you said? [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 09:07, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
	:::::You'll have to ask Human Torch 2 about why the latter was added. It might have seemed like a facinating theory at the time that was added to the only obviously relevant page. The comment about Ellen's nature was actually originally an answer link, but R9tgokunks changed it for reasons unknown. The only thing the admins can answer is why it hasn't been ''removed'' or ''reverted''. [[User:Caldumidoan\|Caldumidoan]] 10:49, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		:::::You'll have to ask Human Torch 2 about why the latter was added. It might have seemed like a facinating theory at the time that was added to the only obviously relevant page. The comment about Ellen's nature was actually originally an answer link, but R9tgokunks changed it for reasons unknown. The only thing the admins can answer is why it hasn't been ''removed'' or ''reverted''. [[User:Caldumidoan\|Caldumidoan]] 10:49, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

			::::: Alan, in case you did not notice, the Miniseries was split up into two parts: I mention the Boomer thing for that specific reason. I apologize if that confused you.

			::::: Regarding traffic: We've ever only had a small amount of contributors vs. a large amount of traffic. That hasn't changed at all. Has nothing to do with policy, it's just that really active/creative fans are always outnumbered by the passive fans 100:1.

			::::: As for the examples you mention, I can agree that those are a big grievous, and should be corrected or reverted. So, addressing Caldumidoan's point, if you see something like that, feel free to change it. Admins aren't the only people to change or revert articles, you know. We encourage people to make changes, as so long as they are reasonable and that, should someone have an issue with it, it is discussed on the appropriate talk pages. If you think admins are here handhold, you are sorely mistaken. This is a community, and each person is empowered to make changes. If they're major changes then, yes, they should be discussed first and then, once a plan and agreement is put in place, you can then execute said changes per that agreed upon plan. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Caldumidoan: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */

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	:::: Okay, here's what set me off, in [[Fragged]] we have :<blockquote>Could Ellen Tigh's attempts to manipulate the downfall of President Roslin be an indication that she is really a Cylon sent to spread chaos in the Fleet? (Partial Answer:She is a Cylon, but that might not be related to her actions.)</blockquote> AND later <blockquote>There is also the fact that the Colonial landing team includes a member of the Final Five: Galen Tyrol. <blockquote>		:::: Okay, here's what set me off, in [[Fragged]] we have :<blockquote>Could Ellen Tigh's attempts to manipulate the downfall of President Roslin be an indication that she is really a Cylon sent to spread chaos in the Fleet? (Partial Answer:She is a Cylon, but that might not be related to her actions.)</blockquote> AND later <blockquote>There is also the fact that the Colonial landing team includes a member of the Final Five: Galen Tyrol. <blockquote>
	::::Why the hell was it necessary to put that in a season 2 article? Why weren't they linked as "Answers" elsewhere so the reader can choose whether they "want to view and see" it as you said? [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 09:07, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::::Why the hell was it necessary to put that in a season 2 article? Why weren't they linked as "Answers" elsewhere so the reader can choose whether they "want to view and see" it as you said? [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 09:07, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
			:::::You'll have to ask Human Torch 2 about why the latter was added. It might have seemed like a facinating theory at the time that was added to the only obviously relevant page. The comment about Ellen's nature was actually originally an answer link, but R9tgokunks changed it for reasons unknown. The only thing the admins can answer is why it hasn't been ''removed'' or ''reverted''. [[User:Caldumidoan\|Caldumidoan]] 10:49, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

AlanHK: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */

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	::: As to Caldumidoan's point, I do agree with most of what was said in their comments, and that there are some slip-ups here and there. It's the nature of the beast. The decision early on was to put the responsibility into the hands of the visitors as to what they want to view and see, and not hand-hold them, or at least limit the hand-holding to something more manageable for a staff that works ''pro bono''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 02:52, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::: As to Caldumidoan's point, I do agree with most of what was said in their comments, and that there are some slip-ups here and there. It's the nature of the beast. The decision early on was to put the responsibility into the hands of the visitors as to what they want to view and see, and not hand-hold them, or at least limit the hand-holding to something more manageable for a staff that works ''pro bono''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 02:52, 10 July 2012 (EDT)


			:::: I don't know why you mentioned something in the miniseries being a spoiler for later episodes, I said very clearly what I meant, what most people mean, by a spoiler: Information from episodes broadcast LATER than the one under discussion. You talk about huge traffic, but also "we don't have a lot of people contributing". Maybe that's a sign of alienation? Who knows? I for one might have contributed. I've done over 6000 edits at Wikipedia, and I mod two forums, so I know all about "pro bono" -- about the only recognition I get is being called a fascist for shutting down flame wars, but as above, I won't be reading any current articles under your current "free fire zone for spoilers" policy, so that's out.
			:::: Okay, here's what set me off, in [[Fragged]] we have :<blockquote>Could Ellen Tigh's attempts to manipulate the downfall of President Roslin be an indication that she is really a Cylon sent to spread chaos in the Fleet? (Partial Answer:She is a Cylon, but that might not be related to her actions.)</blockquote> AND later <blockquote>There is also the fact that the Colonial landing team includes a member of the Final Five: Galen Tyrol. <blockquote>
			::::Why the hell was it necessary to put that in a season 2 article? Why weren't they linked as "Answers" elsewhere so the reader can choose whether they "want to view and see" it as you said? [[User:AlanHK\|AlanHK]] 09:07, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */

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	::: I believe at least the episode summary should deal with present, and probably past, episodes only. The Questions section should also stay spoiler free by sticking to the established practice of linking to the answer in a future episode. The Notes and Analysis sections are the most problematic, as potential follow ups based on later aired facts has to appear in the context. It could be possible to hide those follow ups in spoiler boxes, but that would make the section(s) hard to read for the all those that have seen it all. (By the way, my biggest fear after discovering this site and the forum when I was still watching the episodes on television, on a domestic channel lagging a year or so behind SciFi and Sky, as opposed to the "alternative" I later switched over to, was forum signatures. In the end, I was betrayed by my own curiosity when I clicked into an article about something Cylon related and saw the Final Five listed among the Cylons in a box at the bottom.) [[User:Caldumidoan\|Caldumidoan]] 01:25, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::: I believe at least the episode summary should deal with present, and probably past, episodes only. The Questions section should also stay spoiler free by sticking to the established practice of linking to the answer in a future episode. The Notes and Analysis sections are the most problematic, as potential follow ups based on later aired facts has to appear in the context. It could be possible to hide those follow ups in spoiler boxes, but that would make the section(s) hard to read for the all those that have seen it all. (By the way, my biggest fear after discovering this site and the forum when I was still watching the episodes on television, on a domestic channel lagging a year or so behind SciFi and Sky, as opposed to the "alternative" I later switched over to, was forum signatures. In the end, I was betrayed by my own curiosity when I clicked into an article about something Cylon related and saw the Final Five listed among the Cylons in a box at the bottom.) [[User:Caldumidoan\|Caldumidoan]] 01:25, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

	::: Alan, Yes, it is true that "anything can be a spoiler"... For instance, if you didn't watch the second part of the Miniseries, the fact that Boomer was a Cylon is a spoiler. I do understand that there will be bleed over in facts, but that's the risk. We realize that we can't please everyone, because we are limited by various factors, including the fact that we don't have a lot of people contributing any more, ~~that~~ it's more of a task to change articles.		::: Alan, Yes, it is true that "anything can be a spoiler"... For instance, if you didn't watch the second part of the Miniseries, the fact that Boomer was a Cylon is a spoiler. I do understand that there will be bleed over in facts, but that's the risk. We realize that we can't please everyone, because we are limited by various factors, including the fact that we don't have a lot of people contributing any more, and thus it's more of a task to change articles.

	::: As for alienating people, people will be alienated no matter what you do... it's just the extent. Looking at the traffic stats, which have actually increased exponentially since the show stopped airing, I am completely correct in disagreeing with your assessment that our fan base isn't growing... since you do not have that data in front of you, and merely state that "belief" from emotion. Cold hard stats do not lie.		::: As for alienating people, people will be alienated no matter what you do... it's just the extent. Looking at the traffic stats, which have actually increased exponentially since the show stopped airing, I am completely correct in disagreeing with your assessment that our fan base isn't growing... since you do not have that data in front of you, and merely state that "belief" from emotion. Cold hard stats do not lie.

	::: As to Caldumidoan's point, I do agree with most of what was said in their comments, and that there are some slip-ups here and there. It's the nature of the beast. The decision early on was to put the responsibility into the hands of the visitors as to what they want to view and see, and not hand-hold them, or at least limit the hand-holding to something more manageable for a staff that works ''pro bono''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 02:52, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::: As to Caldumidoan's point, I do agree with most of what was said in their comments, and that there are some slip-ups here and there. It's the nature of the beast. The decision early on was to put the responsibility into the hands of the visitors as to what they want to view and see, and not hand-hold them, or at least limit the hand-holding to something more manageable for a staff that works ''pro bono''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 02:52, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Spoiler policy: please rethink */ reply

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	::: I believe at least the episode summary should deal with present, and probably past, episodes only. The Questions section should also stay spoiler free by sticking to the established practice of linking to the answer in a future episode. The Notes and Analysis sections are the most problematic, as potential follow ups based on later aired facts has to appear in the context. It could be possible to hide those follow ups in spoiler boxes, but that would make the section(s) hard to read for the all those that have seen it all. (By the way, my biggest fear after discovering this site and the forum when I was still watching the episodes on television, on a domestic channel lagging a year or so behind SciFi and Sky, as opposed to the "alternative" I later switched over to, was forum signatures. In the end, I was betrayed by my own curiosity when I clicked into an article about something Cylon related and saw the Final Five listed among the Cylons in a box at the bottom.) [[User:Caldumidoan\|Caldumidoan]] 01:25, 10 July 2012 (EDT)		::: I believe at least the episode summary should deal with present, and probably past, episodes only. The Questions section should also stay spoiler free by sticking to the established practice of linking to the answer in a future episode. The Notes and Analysis sections are the most problematic, as potential follow ups based on later aired facts has to appear in the context. It could be possible to hide those follow ups in spoiler boxes, but that would make the section(s) hard to read for the all those that have seen it all. (By the way, my biggest fear after discovering this site and the forum when I was still watching the episodes on television, on a domestic channel lagging a year or so behind SciFi and Sky, as opposed to the "alternative" I later switched over to, was forum signatures. In the end, I was betrayed by my own curiosity when I clicked into an article about something Cylon related and saw the Final Five listed among the Cylons in a box at the bottom.) [[User:Caldumidoan\|Caldumidoan]] 01:25, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

			::: Alan, Yes, it is true that "anything can be a spoiler"... For instance, if you didn't watch the second part of the Miniseries, the fact that Boomer was a Cylon is a spoiler. I do understand that there will be bleed over in facts, but that's the risk. We realize that we can't please everyone, because we are limited by various factors, including the fact that we don't have a lot of people contributing any more, that it's more of a task to change articles.

			::: As for alienating people, people will be alienated no matter what you do... it's just the extent. Looking at the traffic stats, which have actually increased exponentially since the show stopped airing, I am completely correct in disagreeing with your assessment that our fan base isn't growing... since you do not have that data in front of you, and merely state that "belief" from emotion. Cold hard stats do not lie.

			::: As to Caldumidoan's point, I do agree with most of what was said in their comments, and that there are some slip-ups here and there. It's the nature of the beast. The decision early on was to put the responsibility into the hands of the visitors as to what they want to view and see, and not hand-hold them, or at least limit the hand-holding to something more manageable for a staff that works ''pro bono''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 02:52, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

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	--[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:29, 23 September 2005 (EDT)		--[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:29, 23 September 2005 (EDT)
	:It is now fixed... a year later. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 22:32, 15 October 2006 (CDT)		:It is now fixed... a year later. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 22:32, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Shane.. fix the hover css Spoiler outside link code... [[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 00:21, 1 January 2008 (CST)		::Shane.. fix the hover css Spoiler outside link code... [[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 00:21, 1 January 2008 (CST)
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	::You are not wrong. But I been pointing to send posting anonoymous soruces as a legit way for referreces is not a good idea. People who are still in Season 2 (UK) have no seen three Episode names for Season 3. We need to just be carefull, if we allow anonoymous soilers and spoilers alike, that we be carefull that they be totallt seperate. And seasons that have not offically started keep out the "Episode Data" block also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 17:44, 26 April 2006 (CDT)		::You are not wrong. But I been pointing to send posting anonoymous soruces as a legit way for referreces is not a good idea. People who are still in Season 2 (UK) have no seen three Episode names for Season 3. We need to just be carefull, if we allow anonoymous soilers and spoilers alike, that we be carefull that they be totallt seperate. And seasons that have not offically started keep out the "Episode Data" block also. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 17:44, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
	:::Well I can understand why you're saying that Joe, but I've really got to differ on the matter. There's a difference in my mind between "an actor or crewman leaked this out, and if they wanted it to stop they could give them a warning" and "this person is anonymous, and thus is free from being punished by the production company for breach of contract or simply because they don't want people doing that". Lets see what everyone else thinks. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 17:47, 26 April 2006 (CDT)		:::Well I can understand why you're saying that Joe, but I've really got to differ on the matter. There's a difference in my mind between "an actor or crewman leaked this out, and if they wanted it to stop they could give them a warning" and "this person is anonymous, and thus is free from being punished by the production company for breach of contract or simply because they don't want people doing that". Lets see what everyone else thinks. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 17:47, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
	::I agree with Moore on this, as I did during our initial discussion of the spoiler policy many months ago. Nevertheless, this is a settled issue on Battlestar Wiki. Do we really want to re-open it? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:29, 26 April 2006 (CDT)		::I agree with Moore on this, as I did during our initial discussion of the spoiler policy many months ago. Nevertheless, this is a settled issue on Battlestar Wiki. Do we really want to re-open it? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:29, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
	:::Merv, your "stand" has changed four times and now this spans two pages so I am trying to "keep" the posted times right in my head. I think we need to really move these discussions to their own page so everything is together. Peter, I understand that this is a project of Citation and spolier poilcy, but this is becomeing to confusing on where everyone stands. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 18:50, 26 April 2006 (CDT)		:::Merv, your "stand" has changed four times and now this spans two pages so I am trying to "keep" the posted times right in my head. I think we need to really move these discussions to their own page so everything is together. Peter, I understand that this is a project of Citation and spolier poilcy, but this is becomeing to confusing on where everyone stands. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 18:50, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
	::::It's very simple. The discussion on Citation Jihad is about whether we should allow anonymous sources. The discussion here is about whether we should revise the spoiler policy. The two topics may have originated with the same controversy, but they are not related, nor should they be confused. If The Merovingian wants us to revisit the horribly contested and partisan spoiler policy debate from last fall, this is the place he needs to propose it. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:53, 26 April 2006 (CDT)		::::It's very simple. The discussion on Citation Jihad is about whether we should allow anonymous sources. The discussion here is about whether we should revise the spoiler policy. The two topics may have originated with the same controversy, but they are not related, nor should they be confused. If The Merovingian wants us to revisit the horribly contested and partisan spoiler policy debate from last fall, this is the place he needs to propose it. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:53, 26 April 2006 (CDT)


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	I seen recently a lot of spoiler info come into these sections in the form of {{tl\|spoiltext}} for answeres, but with the [[BW:ES]] project, shouldn't we keep the real Answers, even in {{tl\|spoiltext}} out until the Episode shows IF the spolier comes from a known episode? --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2006 (CDT)		I seen recently a lot of spoiler info come into these sections in the form of {{tl\|spoiltext}} for answeres, but with the [[BW:ES]] project, shouldn't we keep the real Answers, even in {{tl\|spoiltext}} out until the Episode shows IF the spolier comes from a known episode? --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 22:25, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
	: Provided that the Spoiler Policy and Citation Jihad are adhered to, then the spoilers should be encased in {{tl\|spoiltext}}, whether the spoiler is in the form of a question or an answer. Furthermore, we should probably go ahead and tack on the spoiler warning to the top of said page, provided that there are enough spoilers on that page to justify it. However, again, the policies need to be adhered to -- if the spoilers come from Joe Smoe and not an official source, then they should be eradicated with prejudice. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 23:10, 15 October 2006 (CDT)		: Provided that the Spoiler Policy and Citation Jihad are adhered to, then the spoilers should be encased in {{tl\|spoiltext}}, whether the spoiler is in the form of a question or an answer. Furthermore, we should probably go ahead and tack on the spoiler warning to the top of said page, provided that there are enough spoilers on that page to justify it. However, again, the policies need to be adhered to -- if the spoilers come from Joe Smoe and not an official source, then they should be eradicated with prejudice. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 23:10, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
	::I don't think a spoiler header is necessary - that indicates that the ''entire contents'' of the tagged page are spoiler material. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 23:12, 15 October 2006 (CDT)		::I don't think a spoiler header is necessary - that indicates that the ''entire contents'' of the tagged page are spoiler material. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 23:12, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Ditto. Unforentently, StrayCat0's contrib, in [[Exodus%2C_Part_I#Questions\|Exodus, Part I]] brings this up. (Not singling out StraayCat, because it happened in previous seasons). No cite, so it fails that for right now, but in general, when we do mark these "Questions" answered, we usually go <nowiki>([[Episode Here\|Answer)]])</nowiki>, and leave it like this. I am going to created {{tl\|spoilli}} to work within numbered lists... {{tl\|spoiltext}} ruins a lot of formating. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 23:19, 15 October 2006 (CDT)		::Ditto. Unforentently, StrayCat0's contrib, in [[Exodus%2C_Part_I#Questions\|Exodus, Part I]] brings this up. (Not singling out StraayCat, because it happened in previous seasons). No cite, so it fails that for right now, but in general, when we do mark these "Questions" answered, we usually go <nowiki>([[Episode Here\|Answer)]])</nowiki>, and leave it like this. I am going to created {{tl\|spoilli}} to work within numbered lists... {{tl\|spoiltext}} ruins a lot of formating. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 23:19, 15 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Actually, it can be read either way -- and after reading it, the connotation seems inconsistent to me, particularly the last sentence of the warning, so I've gone ahead and [[Template talk:Spoiler\|proposed a change in wording]]. As for spoiltext, I look forward to a better version of it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 23:56, 15 October 2006 (CDT)		::Actually, it can be read either way -- and after reading it, the connotation seems inconsistent to me, particularly the last sentence of the warning, so I've gone ahead and [[Template talk:Spoiler\|proposed a change in wording]]. As for spoiltext, I look forward to a better version of it. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 23:56, 15 October 2006 (CDT)