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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:54:41Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Steelviper: /* Approached by AdBrite */ + ad thoughts

2007-01-15T13:20:06Z

Approached by AdBrite: + ad thoughts

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	:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)		::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)
			:::::Unfortunately I'm not sure that a no-ad members feature would be detrimental. If it was for contributing members, that would make sense (since they're helping to carry the load), but it only takes a second to create a username and I wouldn't want to be the one who'd have to discriminate between "contributing members" versus people that just signed up to avoid the ads. Besides, the people who really care about the site are probably willing to put up with a small ad for the good of the wiki anyway. The best argument I've heard recently regarding ads vs. no ads is at Wikipedia, where they say that they have no ads in order to remain neutral and avoid conflict of interest. I don't think that's been an issue here, though, as (like the current Wikipedia funding drive) we're not being asked to alter content for the sake of the advertisers, and as long as that line remains intact I don't feel we're doing a disservice at all. I mean, if there is an overwhelming consensus that the ads are horrible, we could always go back to a cheaper hosting solution, but I think you'd find we'd have an ad-free and nigh unto unusable wiki in its place. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 07:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)
	:Ohh btw Joe, on the adbrite purchase page for the [http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?zone_id=222426 English wiki] you have not allowed daily/weekly text links and the only thing people can purchase are CPM adverts. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)		:Ohh btw Joe, on the adbrite purchase page for the [http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?zone_id=222426 English wiki] you have not allowed daily/weekly text links and the only thing people can purchase are CPM adverts. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)
			It's working! (The side ad, that is.) It looks like the sidebar is a bit small, as the whole ad isn't showing. Even with (most of) the ad in place, I still don't mind the sidebar. If that will satisfy the advertisers-that-be, then I would {{support}} yon side ad to gain the favor of the gold member sites. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 07:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Mercifull: /* Approached by AdBrite */

2007-01-15T09:20:05Z

Approached by AdBrite

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	:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)		::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)
			:Ohh btw Joe, on the adbrite purchase page for the [http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?zone_id=222426 English wiki] you have not allowed daily/weekly text links and the only thing people can purchase are CPM adverts. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Mercifull at 09:09, 15 January 2007

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	::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)
			::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Approached by AdBrite */

2007-01-13T22:43:17Z

Approached by AdBrite

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	:The sidebar ad is ok and seems unobstrusive. Not sure about the one on the top of the page. It depends on the height of the ads --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:26, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:The sidebar ad is ok and seems unobstrusive. Not sure about the one on the top of the page. It depends on the height of the ads --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:26, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)
			:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: /* Approached by AdBrite */ top ad?

2007-01-13T22:41:23Z

Approached by AdBrite: top ad?

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	:The side ad doesn't bother me at all, but I can't really see it on pageload. I'm not sure if it'd appease the advertisers that be. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:21, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:The side ad doesn't bother me at all, but I can't really see it on pageload. I'm not sure if it'd appease the advertisers that be. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:21, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	:The sidebar ad is ok and seems unobstrusive. Not sure about the one on the top of the page. It depends on the height of the ads --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:26, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:The sidebar ad is ok and seems unobstrusive. Not sure about the one on the top of the page. It depends on the height of the ads --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:26, 13 January 2007 (CST)
			::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Approached by AdBrite */

2007-01-13T22:26:42Z

Approached by AdBrite

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	The hangarbay is up, and I hardcoded a rough version of the main page to try to replicate the look and feel. I think it's ready to be "pimped out" with ads in all the possible suggested locations so we can get a feel for what it'd look like. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 10:35, 5 January 2007 (CST)		The hangarbay is up, and I hardcoded a rough version of the main page to try to replicate the look and feel. I think it's ready to be "pimped out" with ads in all the possible suggested locations so we can get a feel for what it'd look like. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 10:35, 5 January 2007 (CST)
	:The side ad doesn't bother me at all, but I can't really see it on pageload. I'm not sure if it'd appease the advertisers that be. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:21, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:The side ad doesn't bother me at all, but I can't really see it on pageload. I'm not sure if it'd appease the advertisers that be. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:21, 13 January 2007 (CST)
			:The sidebar ad is ok and seems unobstrusive. Not sure about the one on the top of the page. It depends on the height of the ads --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:26, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: /* Approached by AdBrite */ + possible ad locations

2007-01-13T22:21:48Z

Approached by AdBrite: + possible ad locations

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	The hangarbay is up, and I hardcoded a rough version of the main page to try to replicate the look and feel. I think it's ready to be "pimped out" with ads in all the possible suggested locations so we can get a feel for what it'd look like. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 10:35, 5 January 2007 (CST)		The hangarbay is up, and I hardcoded a rough version of the main page to try to replicate the look and feel. I think it's ready to be "pimped out" with ads in all the possible suggested locations so we can get a feel for what it'd look like. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 10:35, 5 January 2007 (CST)
			:The side ad doesn't bother me at all, but I can't really see it on pageload. I'm not sure if it'd appease the advertisers that be. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:21, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: /* Approached by AdBrite */ pimp my wiki

2007-01-05T16:35:13Z

Approached by AdBrite: pimp my wiki

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	::I think it's crucial that we get the hangarbay up and running very soon. There are lots of features and designs i want to test out too to make this place look a bit more pleasant on the eye. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 04:35, 21 December 2006 (CST)		::I think it's crucial that we get the hangarbay up and running very soon. There are lots of features and designs i want to test out too to make this place look a bit more pleasant on the eye. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 04:35, 21 December 2006 (CST)
	:::I'll be able to get things going on the technical side after the first week of January, I'd imagine. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:48, 22 December 2006 (CST)		:::I'll be able to get things going on the technical side after the first week of January, I'd imagine. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:48, 22 December 2006 (CST)

			The hangarbay is up, and I hardcoded a rough version of the main page to try to replicate the look and feel. I think it's ready to be "pimped out" with ads in all the possible suggested locations so we can get a feel for what it'd look like. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 10:35, 5 January 2007 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Approached by AdBrite */ reply

2006-12-22T22:48:32Z

Approached by AdBrite: reply

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	:::Thats really cool. I am however a little concerned about advert placement. Putting banner at the top or to the right of the page (like wikia) is of course going to make the viewable area on load a lot smaller. However right now my grandad s very very ill so im going to have to abstain from any vote on the issue for a little bit. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:05, 20 December 2006 (CST)		:::Thats really cool. I am however a little concerned about advert placement. Putting banner at the top or to the right of the page (like wikia) is of course going to make the viewable area on load a lot smaller. However right now my grandad s very very ill so im going to have to abstain from any vote on the issue for a little bit. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:05, 20 December 2006 (CST)
	::I think it's crucial that we get the hangarbay up and running very soon. There are lots of features and designs i want to test out too to make this place look a bit more pleasant on the eye. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 04:35, 21 December 2006 (CST)		::I think it's crucial that we get the hangarbay up and running very soon. There are lots of features and designs i want to test out too to make this place look a bit more pleasant on the eye. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 04:35, 21 December 2006 (CST)
			:::I'll be able to get things going on the technical side after the first week of January, I'd imagine. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:48, 22 December 2006 (CST)

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	:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)		::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)
			:::::Unfortunately I'm not sure that a no-ad members feature would be detrimental. If it was for contributing members, that would make sense (since they're helping to carry the load), but it only takes a second to create a username and I wouldn't want to be the one who'd have to discriminate between "contributing members" versus people that just signed up to avoid the ads. Besides, the people who really care about the site are probably willing to put up with a small ad for the good of the wiki anyway. The best argument I've heard recently regarding ads vs. no ads is at Wikipedia, where they say that they have no ads in order to remain neutral and avoid conflict of interest. I don't think that's been an issue here, though, as (like the current Wikipedia funding drive) we're not being asked to alter content for the sake of the advertisers, and as long as that line remains intact I don't feel we're doing a disservice at all. I mean, if there is an overwhelming consensus that the ads are horrible, we could always go back to a cheaper hosting solution, but I think you'd find we'd have an ad-free and nigh unto unusable wiki in its place. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 07:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)
	:Ohh btw Joe, on the adbrite purchase page for the [http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?zone_id=222426 English wiki] you have not allowed daily/weekly text links and the only thing people can purchase are CPM adverts. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)		:Ohh btw Joe, on the adbrite purchase page for the [http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?zone_id=222426 English wiki] you have not allowed daily/weekly text links and the only thing people can purchase are CPM adverts. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)
			It's working! (The side ad, that is.) It looks like the sidebar is a bit small, as the whole ad isn't showing. Even with (most of) the ad in place, I still don't mind the sidebar. If that will satisfy the advertisers-that-be, then I would {{support}} yon side ad to gain the favor of the gold member sites. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 07:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)

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	:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)		::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)
			:Ohh btw Joe, on the adbrite purchase page for the [http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?zone_id=222426 English wiki] you have not allowed daily/weekly text links and the only thing people can purchase are CPM adverts. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)

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	::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)
			::::I like the advert on the side, its non intrusive and doesnt lower the amount of space used for actual content. I gues it all depends on how much of a monetary benefit a header ad will be. If the page had a site notice message AND the advert banner then the main body of the content will be squished right to the bottom of the page. ponders It's something I have to think about, I hate adverts and feel guilty having them on my own sites but without them all the costs of running would come from my pocket so they are unfortunatly neccesary. Perhaps there could be some kind of membership whereby the adverts are removed like on Flickr and Last.fm? --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:09, 15 January 2007 (CST)

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	:The sidebar ad is ok and seems unobstrusive. Not sure about the one on the top of the page. It depends on the height of the ads --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:26, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:The sidebar ad is ok and seems unobstrusive. Not sure about the one on the top of the page. It depends on the height of the ads --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:26, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::The top one is just the sitenotice (I think), letting people know that the side ad (which isn't actually much of an ad at present), is for testing. I don't think we've considered a top ad (like the wikipedia ad) at present. We'd better be talking some gold-plated mops for that kind of a sellout. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:41, 13 January 2007 (CST)
			:::Ah, that makes sense. Never mind then --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)

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	The idea is simply (across all wikis) to have it say "''Battlestar Wiki brought to you by xxxxxxxxxxxx''" with a simple link. Now if a pool of people want to do it, we like it to [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support/{{CURRENTMONTH}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} supporters]] and we sysop the pages and discussion pages from appearing with any "bad" info. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 11:36, 10 November 2006 (CST)		The idea is simply (across all wikis) to have it say "''Battlestar Wiki brought to you by xxxxxxxxxxxx''" with a simple link. Now if a pool of people want to do it, we like it to [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support/{{CURRENTMONTH}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} supporters]] and we sysop the pages and discussion pages from appearing with any "bad" info. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 11:36, 10 November 2006 (CST)
	:That wouldn't be bad. The issue, though, is still our core problem. "Show me the money." Or in this case, show me the people that will pay for that link. I'm not saying such people don't exist, just that we'd need to find them and come up with a way to retrieve payment from them. And when their month is up, we'd have to make sure that we had the next month covered as well. One thing that AdBrite buys us straight off is some public pageview and click-through stats that can serve to entice advertisers to buy space (and ideally future space). And with the built-in payment mechanism, as well as stock "network" ads to help pay the bills when particular days aren't covered, it seems like it's worth the cut that we'd end up giving to them. I'd love for Battlestarwiki to be completely financially independent, but I don't see where we'd get the $130+ per month to cover Joe's costs. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 11:45, 10 November 2006 (CST)		:That wouldn't be bad. The issue, though, is still our core problem. "Show me the money." Or in this case, show me the people that will pay for that link. I'm not saying such people don't exist, just that we'd need to find them and come up with a way to retrieve payment from them. And when their month is up, we'd have to make sure that we had the next month covered as well. One thing that AdBrite buys us straight off is some public pageview and click-through stats that can serve to entice advertisers to buy space (and ideally future space). And with the built-in payment mechanism, as well as stock "network" ads to help pay the bills when particular days aren't covered, it seems like it's worth the cut that we'd end up giving to them. I'd love for Battlestarwiki to be completely financially independent, but I don't see where we'd get the $130+ per month to cover Joe's costs. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 11:45, 10 November 2006 (CST)
	::Actually, I think the most logical place to look for support is from users, not advertisers - the site notice would be a nice way of offering kudos, and perhaps a link back to contributors pet projects. I can certainly afford to chip in $130/year, which means we just have to find 11 other users willing to contribute at that level. If that proves too difficult, we could split a month's support two or three ways. Naturally, if we can raise the full amount per month, I would hope the graphical advertisements could be dispensed with. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:46, 13 November 2006 (CST)		::Actually, I think the most logical place to look for support is from users, not advertisers - the site notice would be a nice way of offering kudos, and perhaps a link back to contributors pet projects. I can certainly afford to chip in $130/year, which means we just have to find 11 other users willing to contribute at that level. If that proves too difficult, we could split a month's support two or three ways. Naturally, if we can raise the full amount per month, I would hope the graphical advertisements could be dispensed with. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:46, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:::I agree that ads (especially graphical ads) are no fun. However my support for the advertising stemsfrom a desire to see a consistent revenue stream (so Joe isn't ever stuck with the bill). Also, part of me wishes that our contributors only needed to contribute time/effort to the wiki. That somehow the content that we generate is valuable enough itself that people wouldn't need to contribute time, effort, AND money. "Hey, thanks for contributing all this time and stuff, but can you loan me some money? I need about three-fitty." I'd definitely love it if the community that uses it found it useful enough to support it ad-free. I just fear that in this age where people presume that content (music/movies/software) is/should be free, that they wouldn't be willing to put their money where the server's mouth is. Maybe I'm wrong though. PBS manages it, but then again all the fundraising efforts they make seems to amount to advertising anyway. I guess we could try to cover a month, and see where it goes from there. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:54, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:::I agree that ads (especially graphical ads) are no fun. However my support for the advertising stemsfrom a desire to see a consistent revenue stream (so Joe isn't ever stuck with the bill). Also, part of me wishes that our contributors only needed to contribute time/effort to the wiki. That somehow the content that we generate is valuable enough itself that people wouldn't need to contribute time, effort, AND money. "Hey, thanks for contributing all this time and stuff, but can you loan me some money? I need about three-fitty." I'd definitely love it if the community that uses it found it useful enough to support it ad-free. I just fear that in this age where people presume that content (music/movies/software) is/should be free, that they wouldn't be willing to put their money where the server's mouth is. Maybe I'm wrong though. PBS manages it, but then again all the fundraising efforts they make seems to amount to advertising anyway. I guess we could try to cover a month, and see where it goes from there. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 06:54, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:::In principle, I don't find advertisements a whole lot of fun either. However, they are a necessary evil which we must deal with if we are ever to be self-sufficient and not reliant on one person's (or even one group's) finances. Also, there's something unbecoming to me about begging for handouts from other contributors, since I feel much the same way SV does on the subject. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 10:41, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:::In principle, I don't find advertisements a whole lot of fun either. However, they are a necessary evil which we must deal with if we are ever to be self-sufficient and not reliant on one person's (or even one group's) finances. Also, there's something unbecoming to me about begging for handouts from other contributors, since I feel much the same way SV does on the subject. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 10:41, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	::::If I tipped $130 toward the site, would you take down the advertising and put up a message to the effect of: "Battlestar Wiki is brought to you ad-free for the month of December by [[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]]. If you would like to become a sponsor, click [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|here]]." We'll see if anyone else bites, and if not, we can go back to advertising support. I'm personally very much in favor of PBS/NPR style fundraising over adverts. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 11:05, 13 November 2006 (CST)		::::If I tipped $130 toward the site, would you take down the advertising and put up a message to the effect of: "Battlestar Wiki is brought to you ad-free for the month of December by [[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]]. If you would like to become a sponsor, click [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|here]]." We'll see if anyone else bites, and if not, we can go back to advertising support. I'm personally very much in favor of PBS/NPR style fundraising over adverts. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 11:05, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:::::Well, I've come up with a few ideas (or modifications to ideas already presented) below. Depending on what we go with, that would be the answer to your query. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:12, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:::::Well, I've come up with a few ideas (or modifications to ideas already presented) below. Depending on what we go with, that would be the answer to your query. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:12, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:We can use this idea in conjunction with AdBrite. Also, I'm signing up via Amazon.com and a few other online retailers for referrals, so when that gets set, we'll be able to add that to our revenue stream. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:17, 10 November 2006 (CST)		:We can use this idea in conjunction with AdBrite. Also, I'm signing up via Amazon.com and a few other online retailers for referrals, so when that gets set, we'll be able to add that to our revenue stream. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:17, 10 November 2006 (CST)
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	Thoughts? Ideas? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:02, 13 November 2006 (CST)		Thoughts? Ideas? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:02, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:Liking the idea of number three, its an idea ive suggested for another site I am a very frequent visitor too. But they dont really care for the users much and would rather spam the site with popups and spyware :( --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 14:23, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:Liking the idea of number three, its an idea ive suggested for another site I am a very frequent visitor too. But they dont really care for the users much and would rather spam the site with popups and spyware :( --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 14:23, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:I like idea number one - if we go with it, I might suggest that we list the four largest donors per month, with a link to the complete list, to keep things concise. Idea two is good, but I think we should take into account the relative traffic of each language edition. Idea three bothers me a great deal - I want to view this as a community effort, not a private club. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 15:50, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:I like idea number one - if we go with it, I might suggest that we list the four largest donors per month, with a link to the complete list, to keep things concise. Idea two is good, but I think we should take into account the relative traffic of each language edition. Idea three bothers me a great deal - I want to view this as a community effort, not a private club. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 15:50, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:My only concern is regarding stats. I agree that if somebody graciously covers the tab that the "brought to you buy" should be all that need be displayed, but is there any way to keep an invisible "hitcounter" linked to the AdBrite site so that the potential advertisers still see that we are still bringing in (insane amounts of) traffic? Or is that even an issue? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:53, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:My only concern is regarding stats. I agree that if somebody graciously covers the tab that the "brought to you buy" should be all that need be displayed, but is there any way to keep an invisible "hitcounter" linked to the AdBrite site so that the potential advertisers still see that we are still bringing in (insane amounts of) traffic? Or is that even an issue? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:53, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	::It wouldn't be a problem if we used Google - is there a reason we aren't considering them? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:11, 13 November 2006 (CST)		::It wouldn't be a problem if we used Google - is there a reason we aren't considering them? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:11, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:::Google wont track hits without putting the code on your site any different to AdBrite. I dont think theres really anything against google apart from my anecdotal story of them screwing me over for a few hundred dollars after a spammer mass clicked my ads. They closed my account for click fraud and im banned for life from them. Apealing just earns you a copy&paste automated reply. Its also easier for other people to advertise on the site using AdBrite. The publisher can customise the prices and the advertiser can either pay a fixed price per day/week/month or purely by impressions/click thrus. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 19:15, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:::Google wont track hits without putting the code on your site any different to AdBrite. I dont think theres really anything against google apart from my anecdotal story of them screwing me over for a few hundred dollars after a spammer mass clicked my ads. They closed my account for click fraud and im banned for life from them. Apealing just earns you a copy&paste automated reply. Its also easier for other people to advertise on the site using AdBrite. The publisher can customise the prices and the advertiser can either pay a fixed price per day/week/month or purely by impressions/click thrus. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 19:15, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:::Also RE: worrying that paying for membership creates a private club, surely having a list of names and how much they donated is more elitist? If you pay $5 a month say to remove the ads, noone else but Joe needs to know. Everything will look the same to everyone else, noone needs to know you pay. The only things thats different if you view the side with no advert banner. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 19:18, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:::Also RE: worrying that paying for membership creates a private club, surely having a list of names and how much they donated is more elitist? If you pay $5 a month say to remove the ads, noone else but Joe needs to know. Everything will look the same to everyone else, noone needs to know you pay. The only things thats different if you view the side with no advert banner. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 19:18, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:::Also I want to add that I really like the idea of donation drives and of we can afford to run the site only on donations then id be more than happy to see the ads vanish forever. I just dont know if im comfortable having a page of names and domation amounts next to it. People might feel that they ''have'' to donate as their friends have, other people might feel that they have donated a lot more than other people and thus feel they have a bigger say in changes for example. Donations ios great and all, and if the donators get some kind of benefit out of it, then thats cool (see b3ta.com donation icons) but I dont think the idea of a list of names and stuff is a good idea. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 19:25, 13 November 2006 (CST)		:::Also I want to add that I really like the idea of donation drives and of we can afford to run the site only on donations then id be more than happy to see the ads vanish forever. I just dont know if im comfortable having a page of names and domation amounts next to it. People might feel that they ''have'' to donate as their friends have, other people might feel that they have donated a lot more than other people and thus feel they have a bigger say in changes for example. Donations ios great and all, and if the donators get some kind of benefit out of it, then thats cool (see b3ta.com donation icons) but I dont think the idea of a list of names and stuff is a good idea. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 19:25, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	::::I don't think a list of names is elitist; it's a fairly small token of appreciation for something that can then be enjoyed by everyone. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 22:06, 13 November 2006 (CST)		::::I don't think a list of names is elitist; it's a fairly small token of appreciation for something that can then be enjoyed by everyone. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:06, 13 November 2006 (CST)
	:::::Any movement on this idea? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:23, 21 November 2006 (CST)		:::::Any movement on this idea? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:23, 21 November 2006 (CST)

	After tossing around the idea, I've concluded that the idea Peter offered has a serious shortcoming: it does not account for unforseen expenditures (such as bandwidth, paid tech support, et al.) and does not cover future expenditures in the form of paying for future months of service. While I'm not adverse to going with the ads-free membership idea which I proposed, the ads permit us (in conjunction with reveneus from Amazon and B&N, as well as donations from members) flexibility to cover not only current expenditures, but future ones as well. Also, AdBrite is paying off for us quite nicely as well (far beyond my initial minimum expectations), and I was recently contacted by Kevin Weatherman, an Account Executive for AdBrite, which I'll further touch upon in another section. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 18:28, 19 December 2006 (CST)		After tossing around the idea, I've concluded that the idea Peter offered has a serious shortcoming: it does not account for unforseen expenditures (such as bandwidth, paid tech support, et al.) and does not cover future expenditures in the form of paying for future months of service. While I'm not adverse to going with the ads-free membership idea which I proposed, the ads permit us (in conjunction with reveneus from Amazon and B&N, as well as donations from members) flexibility to cover not only current expenditures, but future ones as well. Also, AdBrite is paying off for us quite nicely as well (far beyond my initial minimum expectations), and I was recently contacted by Kevin Weatherman, an Account Executive for AdBrite, which I'll further touch upon in another section. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 18:28, 19 December 2006 (CST)