Battlestar Wiki talk:Requests for adminship/The Merovingian (3) - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	==Oddness==		==Oddness==
	Something is seriously messed up with this page, in that the source no longer seems to match the displayed contents. I am going to go through the edit history and re-create it as best I can. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:52, 31 July 2006 (CDT)		Something is seriously messed up with this page, in that the source no longer seems to match the displayed contents. I am going to go through the edit history and re-create it as best I can. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:52, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
	:I had it fixed in my version. I was submitting it and poof. I got a locked notice. :x --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 00:53, 31 July 2006 (CDT)		:I had it fixed in my version. I was submitting it and poof. I got a locked notice. :x --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 00:53, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
	:Formatting fixed. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:23, 31 July 2006 (CDT)		:Formatting fixed. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:23, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

	As I noted in the article; I'm sorry if there's some rule against me pointing out that someone didn't qualify as I personally welcomed this person to the wiki when they joined a matter of hours ago, just to vote against me; are only Administrators supposed to do that? If so I'm sorry, wasn't sure how to handle things. Is there a problem? BTW, yes the code seems a bit odd on this page, I had to resort to bracketed b's isntead of bolding stuff using apostrophes. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 00:57, 31 July 2006 (CDT)		As I noted in the article; I'm sorry if there's some rule against me pointing out that someone didn't qualify as I personally welcomed this person to the wiki when they joined a matter of hours ago, just to vote against me; are only Administrators supposed to do that? If so I'm sorry, wasn't sure how to handle things. Is there a problem? BTW, yes the code seems a bit odd on this page, I had to resort to bracketed b's isntead of bolding stuff using apostrophes. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 00:57, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
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	::This topic should be brought to Joe's attention and not here since this article will be archived soon. I will bring up the topic as a [[BW:TANK\|Think Tank]] item. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 07:56, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		::This topic should be brought to Joe's attention and not here since this article will be archived soon. I will bring up the topic as a [[BW:TANK\|Think Tank]] item. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 07:56, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
	::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your RFC resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. You have been behaving quite well Shane and in a few months if you run again I think I might actually support you, as this Think Tank thing is working out really well. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members, and we don't use any of those as a source, be they KR or even TVguide.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your RFC resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. You have been behaving quite well Shane and in a few months if you run again I think I might actually support you, as this Think Tank thing is working out really well. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members, and we don't use any of those as a source, be they KR or even TVguide. As for "mending things with us", other than that I along with a majorty of users was concerned on your RFC, I've been cooperating with new users such as Homeworld616 instead of attacking them, actively working well with people I've had friction in the past with like Peter, and on the whole I've been great here these past few months. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
	::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your ~~RFA~~ resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. You have been behaving quite well Shane and in a few months if you run again I think I might actually support you, as this Think Tank thing is working out really well. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members, and we don't use any of those as a source, be they KR or even TVguide.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your RFC resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. You have been behaving quite well Shane and in a few months if you run again I think I might actually support you, as this Think Tank thing is working out really well. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members, and we don't use any of those as a source, be they KR or even TVguide.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
	::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your RFA resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members, and we don't use any of those as a source, be they KR or even TVguide.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your RFA resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. You have been behaving quite well Shane and in a few months if you run again I think I might actually support you, as this Think Tank thing is working out really well. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members, and we don't use any of those as a source, be they KR or even TVguide.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
	::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your RFA resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your RFA resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members, and we don't use any of those as a source, be they KR or even TVguide.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

The Merovingian: /* Ain't Right */

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Ain't Right

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	:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
			::Shane my current actions on the wiki have been fine. We all known that you, Peter and I had words on your RFA resulting in your one week break; I didn't do anything negative in that respect. As for wanting to pry KR for "juicy spoilers", Shane the entire result of the arguement KR and I had was that BattlestarWiki no longer uses unsourced spoilers, and while KR is on the level (he's not making things up) things he reports are admitedly not from the final form of the episodes and subject to much change; bottom line is that we have already decided not to use unsourced spoiler information, from non-cast or crew members. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 13:22, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

Shane: /* Ain't Right */

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	I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

			:People who do use the Wiki should be the next step to mend with. It should be the people who use the wiki on a regular basis your should also try to mend relationships with. KR might be great to get the next piece of juciy spoiler info outside of the Wiki, but if you are counting on people to support in your status to adminship, you should also try to mend things with us. Did it ever occur to you that actions that happened against me on this wiki, could have effected you as well? ([[Wikipedia:Newton%27s_Third_Law#Newton.27s_third_law:_law_of_reciprocal_actions\|Newton's Third Law]]) This might be the same with me if I get nominated again, will my RFC or previous actions come back to haunt me? I've might not have the time in a few month to even be here at all, but I ''am'' trying to mend by using the [[BW:TANK]] as a guide. It's only for what you make it and not anyone else. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:59, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

			:::I am glad that I am not the only person that is saying that, because if I alone was saying that it would look like I was pouting, when in fact from an external point of view, it is a serious problem. THanks. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:49, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).		Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).

	I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

Gougef: /* Ain't Right */ Sorry again

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Ain't Right: Sorry again

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	:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

			:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).		Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).

	I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

The Merovingian: /* Ain't Right */

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Ain't Right

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	:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound ~~paranoia~~...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).		Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).

	I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	==Oddness==		==Oddness==
	Something is seriously messed up with this page, in that the source no longer seems to match the displayed contents. I am going to go through the edit history and re-create it as best I can. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:52, 31 July 2006 (CDT)		Something is seriously messed up with this page, in that the source no longer seems to match the displayed contents. I am going to go through the edit history and re-create it as best I can. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:52, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
	:I had it fixed in my version. I was submitting it and poof. I got a locked notice. :x --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 00:53, 31 July 2006 (CDT)		:I had it fixed in my version. I was submitting it and poof. I got a locked notice. :x --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 00:53, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
	:Formatting fixed. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:23, 31 July 2006 (CDT)		:Formatting fixed. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:23, 31 July 2006 (CDT)

	As I noted in the article; I'm sorry if there's some rule against me pointing out that someone didn't qualify as I personally welcomed this person to the wiki when they joined a matter of hours ago, just to vote against me; are only Administrators supposed to do that? If so I'm sorry, wasn't sure how to handle things. Is there a problem? BTW, yes the code seems a bit odd on this page, I had to resort to bracketed b's isntead of bolding stuff using apostrophes. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 00:57, 31 July 2006 (CDT)		As I noted in the article; I'm sorry if there's some rule against me pointing out that someone didn't qualify as I personally welcomed this person to the wiki when they joined a matter of hours ago, just to vote against me; are only Administrators supposed to do that? If so I'm sorry, wasn't sure how to handle things. Is there a problem? BTW, yes the code seems a bit odd on this page, I had to resort to bracketed b's isntead of bolding stuff using apostrophes. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 00:57, 31 July 2006 (CDT)
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	::This topic should be brought to Joe's attention and not here since this article will be archived soon. I will bring up the topic as a [[BW:TANK\|Think Tank]] item. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 07:56, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		::This topic should be brought to Joe's attention and not here since this article will be archived soon. I will bring up the topic as a [[BW:TANK\|Think Tank]] item. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 07:56, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

			:::I am glad that I am not the only person that is saying that, because if I alone was saying that it would look like I was pouting, when in fact from an external point of view, it is a serious problem. THanks. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:49, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).		Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).

	I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

			:: As I have said over at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/RfA Amendments]], I made this comment out of ignorance because I didn't realize Joe reviewed the RfA. I apologize once again. However, it just seems that they made a "mockery" of the whole process. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 12:43, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).		Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).

	I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		:If this RfA had gone through, I have no doubt that Joe would have discounted the votes of lurkers and non-users. Far more important were the no-votes cast by Shane, Mercifull, and Spencerian - while I happen to disagree with their reasoning, they are entirely qualified to object. Consequently, I don't think this RfA was torpedoed by outside forces. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

	Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound ~~paranoia~~...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).		Koenigrules came here because he was directly affected, and moreover because I asked him to come this time myself. If there are questions about my behavior, KR is a good judge. I understand that KR thinks a great deal of time filled with exemplary behavior is required after what happened (and if there are lingering after-affects, I'd like to help him any way I can). That said, my behavior SO FAR has been as good as humanly possible (within the time span of a few months) and I simply can't "cooperate and be nice to people", any ''faster'', as it were :) And KR did not say that I have been continuing anything bad behavior from the past.----->That said, no we should not count the votes of people who don't contribute. On a wiki like this we have the perfect easy to use tool; the "user contributions" button next to their name, which will instantly show everything they've done. *If you simply set up a "50 edits rule", '''non-wiki users will simply fill up 50 edits by dotting i's and crossing t's, and not really contributing'''. **My suggestion would be that the Administrators, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS (as all of our votes have never had more than a dozen votes) look at a potential voter's contributions page and determine if they've made A) a suffient quantity of edits and B) that there were '''Contributions of actual merit'''. Do you guys like this idea? That said, not only did Ribsy join and try to vote, but I've noticed that "Rohmann" (aka Burntoast, who trolls and spams the Skiffy boards constantly, and I say that objectively (ask SteelViper if you dont' know who this is) also joined and didn't actually edit anything, probably anticipating that he can simply wait for the next RFA and then vote against me; further earlier today "Darth Marley" another bboard "personality" joined and didn't contribute anything, also probably because he hopes to stack the vote against me later. I hope I don't sound paranoid...but everyone in the world is trying to kill me! (haha, sorry, that's a DS9 joke/referrence).

	I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)		I mean I haven't simply been saying "wow, KR, I'm sorry, now drop it"; I am deeply concerned that this caused real life problems for KR and I'm horrified at that and would like to help out. When I was trying to work things out with KR in PM's, I went so far as to say that as I had seen the Season 3 trailer at MTR (a month before anyone else), and the material in it was things he had reported weeks beforehand, I would like to go onto Subject2Discussion with Shaun and KR, prostrate myself and just say how yes, everything they've ever reported turned out to be entirely true and confirmed, and if anyone ever doubted them as a result for my wrong attack, I'd be there telling everyone that they should not. KR wanted me to check with Terry Moore on the messageboards, and personally ask her if the Moores were mad at KR and Shaun, and I went so far as to get her personal statement that they were not angry at Subject2Discussion for KR. KR and Shaun ultimately decided not to have me appear on their show, and I understand that as it is there show and I sure did ruffle a lot of feathers, though I still think me going on and saying "KR is great and everything he's ever done is confirmed and true, and the Moores aren't mad or anything", on their show itself would have really removed the doubts I stirred up among some people; I thought it would have been pretty constructive, and I kind of still hope they're open to the idea. But in case you didn't understand, I'm not simply popping up and going "KR I'm sorry", but I'm really trying to pull in all the favors I can to be nice to KR & Co. and make things up to them. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 12:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)