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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)		::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)

	:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)

	::::That would be the most logical thing. Not to force all articles into a uniform look or voice, but afford them the freedom they need. To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about, as long as there is a clear voice and not too much mixing of the points of view within one article. However, it seems some (especially Spencerian it seems) feel differently. That's why I suggested that. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:19, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::::That would be the most logical thing. Not to force all articles into a uniform look or voice, but afford them the freedom they need. To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about, as long as there is a clear voice and not too much mixing of the points of view within one article. However, it seems some (especially Spencerian it seems) feel differently. That's why I suggested that. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:19, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Bradtem: /* Update */

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Update

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	I expanded on the proposed language I noted above, and was able to contrast it to the real-world POV policy, and have added it to the article. The two now make much more sense, but do read, comment and/or change any mistakes. The one thing that this and its sister article try to note that BS Wiki is not a general encyclopedia on real-world objects, and there are times and places to write about the shows itself, or write about its events. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:17, 30 April 2007 (CDT)		I expanded on the proposed language I noted above, and was able to contrast it to the real-world POV policy, and have added it to the article. The two now make much more sense, but do read, comment and/or change any mistakes. The one thing that this and its sister article try to note that BS Wiki is not a general encyclopedia on real-world objects, and there are times and places to write about the shows itself, or write about its events. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:17, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

			:I don't think such a complete divorce from the real world is appropriate. We all understand that this is a work of fiction, and understanding fiction is rarely best done by pretending it's real. Like all fiction it's full of allusions to the real world, standard techniques of fiction and drama and more. I'm no English Major but I do understand their role. In addition, in the context of this as [[Naturalistic science fiction]] I believe that contrasts and references to real-world science are entirely apropos, even if it is to document errors. We have pages on continuity errors and science, but I don't think those pages are the only places to mention such items. This show is not just SF, it's a mystery too, and the rules of SF, drama and mystery all apply to understanding it.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 14:16, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

Spencerian: Update

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	::::That would be the most logical thing. Not to force all articles into a uniform look or voice, but afford them the freedom they need. To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about, as long as there is a clear voice and not too much mixing of the points of view within one article. However, it seems some (especially Spencerian it seems) feel differently. That's why I suggested that. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:19, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::::That would be the most logical thing. Not to force all articles into a uniform look or voice, but afford them the freedom they need. To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about, as long as there is a clear voice and not too much mixing of the points of view within one article. However, it seems some (especially Spencerian it seems) feel differently. That's why I suggested that. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:19, 13 January 2007 (CST)

			== Update ==

			I expanded on the proposed language I noted above, and was able to contrast it to the real-world POV policy, and have added it to the article. The two now make much more sense, but do read, comment and/or change any mistakes. The one thing that this and its sister article try to note that BS Wiki is not a general encyclopedia on real-world objects, and there are times and places to write about the shows itself, or write about its events. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:17, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

Serenity: reply

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	:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)

			::::That would be the most logical thing. Not to force all articles into a uniform look or voice, but afford them the freedom they need. To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about, as long as there is a clear voice and not too much mixing of the points of view within one article. However, it seems some (especially Spencerian it seems) feel differently. That's why I suggested that. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:19, 13 January 2007 (CST)

April Arcus at 22:18, 13 January 2007

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	:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)
			::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)

April Arcus at 22:11, 13 January 2007

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	::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)		::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)

	::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. ~~When was~~ this ~~position adopted?~~ --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)

April Arcus at 22:06, 13 January 2007

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	::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)		::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)

			::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. When was this position adopted? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Serenity at 20:26, 12 January 2007

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	:Maybe something discussing the [[Memoryalpha:Memory_Alpha:Point_of_view\|"in universe" POV]] should be elaborated as well. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 13:02, 12 January 2007 (CST)		:Maybe something discussing the [[Memoryalpha:Memory_Alpha:Point_of_view\|"in universe" POV]] should be elaborated as well. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 13:02, 12 January 2007 (CST)

			::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: /* Clarification Needed */ in vs out of universe

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Clarification Needed: in vs out of universe

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	: Looks good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:59, 12 January 2007 (CST)		: Looks good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:59, 12 January 2007 (CST)

			:Maybe something discussing the [[Memoryalpha:Memory_Alpha:Point_of_view\|"in universe" POV]] should be elaborated as well. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 13:02, 12 January 2007 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Clarification Needed */ reply

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Clarification Needed: reply

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	--Comments? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 12:49, 12 January 2007 (CST)		--Comments? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 12:49, 12 January 2007 (CST)

			: Looks good. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 12:59, 12 January 2007 (CST)

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	::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)		::So what about creating some kind of "behind the scenes" template for the few cases where a non-"in-universe POV" is needed, like real-life weapons used on the show ([[Small arms]]) or [[Filming locations]]? --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:26, 12 January 2007 (CST)

	:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)

	::::That would be the most logical thing. Not to force all articles into a uniform look or voice, but afford them the freedom they need. To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about, as long as there is a clear voice and not too much mixing of the points of view within one article. However, it seems some (especially Spencerian it seems) feel differently. That's why I suggested that. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:19, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::::That would be the most logical thing. Not to force all articles into a uniform look or voice, but afford them the freedom they need. To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about, as long as there is a clear voice and not too much mixing of the points of view within one article. However, it seems some (especially Spencerian it seems) feel differently. That's why I suggested that. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:19, 13 January 2007 (CST)

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	:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)		:::I have always argued strenuosly against the adoption of an in-universe POV. All our articles deserve to be written from a perspective which affords them the opportunity to be works of critical analysis. The mystique of the "false document" encyclopedia is completely lost on me. As such, at this time, all articles are written from a "behind the scenes" POV, and such a template is unnecessary. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:06, 13 January 2007 (CST)
	::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)		::::For the previous discussion on this topic, see [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions/Archive02#Verb Tense 2]] --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:18, 13 January 2007 (CST)

			::::That would be the most logical thing. Not to force all articles into a uniform look or voice, but afford them the freedom they need. To be honest, I don't see what the fuss is about, as long as there is a clear voice and not too much mixing of the points of view within one article. However, it seems some (especially Spencerian it seems) feel differently. That's why I suggested that. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:19, 13 January 2007 (CST)