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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	::I see it this way: Notes is for simple things that don't require any thought but are kind of interesting: "Pegasus doesn't retract flight pods", "Tyrol shaved his beard", etc. Analysis is for points that require more explication: "Kat was previously shown to be a driven pilot in "Final Cut", so it's unsurprising that she is so talented in "Scar" now that she's overcome her Stim addiction." Questions is for those remaining points which cannot be answered by the episodes aired to date.		::I see it this way: Notes is for simple things that don't require any thought but are kind of interesting: "Pegasus doesn't retract flight pods", "Tyrol shaved his beard", etc. Analysis is for points that require more explication: "Kat was previously shown to be a driven pilot in "Final Cut", so it's unsurprising that she is so talented in "Scar" now that she's overcome her Stim addiction." Questions is for those remaining points which cannot be answered by the episodes aired to date.
	::The key point about the questions section is that they ''should not have answers'' in the material aired up to the episode's release. Questions which are answered adequately should be redacted and moved to analysis. It should be our expectation that contributors will do this themselves, and not wait for a mop boy to do the gruntwork. Redaction is particularly excrutiating given the current server problems and the issue of edit collisions. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:50, 25 October 2006 (CDT)		::The key point about the questions section is that they ''should not have answers'' in the material aired up to the episode's release. Questions which are answered adequately should be redacted and moved to analysis. It should be our expectation that contributors will do this themselves, and not wait for a mop boy to do the gruntwork. Redaction is particularly excrutiating given the current server problems and the issue of edit collisions. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:50, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
	:::Again, 100% agree. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 21:55, 25 October 2006 (CDT)		:::Again, 100% agree. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 21:55, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

Tuzaa: /* Excessive Use of Lists */ image thumbnail margins

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	::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I used the idea of collecting each line item into scenes and naming the scene location from scriptwriting practices. The reason I liked the definition list is because the default formatting makes it a little easier on the eyes to separate the list items than from an unordered or ordered list. The bullet points for some reason just made it all blend together. Another possibility is to change the CSS for a definition list so that the "headword" appears inline with the definition. shrug Speaking of CSS, it seems like the image thumbnails need some padding around them. The text hits right up against the image border (on Firefox using default skin). --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 23:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		:I used the idea of collecting each line item into scenes and naming the scene location from scriptwriting practices. The reason I liked the definition list is because the default formatting makes it a little easier on the eyes to separate the list items than from an unordered or ordered list. The bullet points for some reason just made it all blend together. Another possibility is to change the CSS for a definition list so that the "headword" appears inline with the definition. shrug Speaking of CSS, it seems like the image thumbnails need some padding around them. The text hits right up against the image border (on Firefox using default skin). --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 23:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			::From main.css: div.thumb {border:medium none;margin-bottom:0.5em;width:auto;} Suggest adding margin:0.5em or margin-left:0.5em. --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 23:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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	:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			:I used the idea of collecting each line item into scenes and naming the scene location from scriptwriting practices. The reason I liked the definition list is because the default formatting makes it a little easier on the eyes to separate the list items than from an unordered or ordered list. The bullet points for some reason just made it all blend together. Another possibility is to change the CSS for a definition list so that the "headword" appears inline with the definition. shrug Speaking of CSS, it seems like the image thumbnails need some padding around them. The text hits right up against the image border (on Firefox using default skin). --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 23:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Excessive Use of Lists */ reply

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	::Here's a suggested format change. Use a definition list instead of an unordered list for the Acts. Each list item should be a scene. See example at: [[User:Tuzaa/Sandbox#Summary]] --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		::Here's a suggested format change. Use a definition list instead of an unordered list for the Acts. Each list item should be a scene. See example at: [[User:Tuzaa/Sandbox#Summary]] --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Serenity: /* Excessive Use of Lists */

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Excessive Use of Lists

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	::Here's a suggested format change. Use a definition list instead of an unordered list for the Acts. Each list item should be a scene. See example at: [[User:Tuzaa/Sandbox#Summary]] --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		::Here's a suggested format change. Use a definition list instead of an unordered list for the Acts. Each list item should be a scene. See example at: [[User:Tuzaa/Sandbox#Summary]] --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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Excessive Use of Lists

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	::At the very least, each bullet point in Summary should be a separate scene. That is not always the case. --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		::At the very least, each bullet point in Summary should be a separate scene. That is not always the case. --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

			::Here's a suggested format change. Use a definition list instead of an unordered list for the Acts. Each list item should be a scene. See example at: [[User:Tuzaa/Sandbox#Summary]] --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Tuzaa: /* Excessive Use of Lists */

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Excessive Use of Lists

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	: As for the analysis and notes sections, they do tend to be thrown together in a disorganized fashion, and this is particularly the case for the older episode guides dating back from season 1 and 2. When it comes to episode guides for the newer episodes, such as "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" and others, this problem is rectified as the points are all bulleted together under a theme or topic. Of course, any help in organizing the notes and analysis sections in older episode guides would be greatly appreciated! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		: As for the analysis and notes sections, they do tend to be thrown together in a disorganized fashion, and this is particularly the case for the older episode guides dating back from season 1 and 2. When it comes to episode guides for the newer episodes, such as "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" and others, this problem is rectified as the points are all bulleted together under a theme or topic. Of course, any help in organizing the notes and analysis sections in older episode guides would be greatly appreciated! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

			::At the very least, each bullet point in Summary should be a separate scene. That is not always the case. --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Excessive Use of Lists */ reply

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	Hi. I'm new here and was looking over some episode articles. Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind the excessive use of lists on those pages? It actually makes it harder to read. Also, the Notes and Analysis sections seem rather unorganized when just thrown all together in a large list. --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 03:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		Hi. I'm new here and was looking over some episode articles. Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind the excessive use of lists on those pages? It actually makes it harder to read. Also, the Notes and Analysis sections seem rather unorganized when just thrown all together in a large list. --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 03:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

			: Welcome, Tuzaa! In response to your question, the formats are directly inspired by the guide pages on [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.htm Lurkers Guide to ''Babylon 5'']. Hence the extensive use of lists.

			: As for the analysis and notes sections, they do tend to be thrown together in a disorganized fashion, and this is particularly the case for the older episode guides dating back from season 1 and 2. When it comes to episode guides for the newer episodes, such as "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" and others, this problem is rectified as the points are all bulleted together under a theme or topic. Of course, any help in organizing the notes and analysis sections in older episode guides would be greatly appreciated! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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	=== Act vs. Location ===		=== Act vs. Location ===
	We really also gotta update old guides to the Act Format or Location format. Location format should only be used if the episode has two or more story lines happening. Acts should always be four and flushed out in detail. Comments? [[BW:SAC]] page would need to be updated. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 16:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)		We really also gotta update old guides to the Act Format or Location format. Location format should only be used if the episode has two or more story lines happening. Acts should always be four and flushed out in detail. Comments? [[BW:SAC]] page would need to be updated. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 16:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

			== Excessive Use of Lists ==

			Hi. I'm new here and was looking over some episode articles. Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind the excessive use of lists on those pages? It actually makes it harder to read. Also, the Notes and Analysis sections seem rather unorganized when just thrown all together in a large list. --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 03:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Shane: /* Updates to Guides */ new section

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	::The key point about the questions section is that they ''should not have answers'' in the material aired up to the episode's release. Questions which are answered adequately should be redacted and moved to analysis. It should be our expectation that contributors will do this themselves, and not wait for a mop boy to do the gruntwork. Redaction is particularly excrutiating given the current server problems and the issue of edit collisions. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:50, 25 October 2006 (CDT)		::The key point about the questions section is that they ''should not have answers'' in the material aired up to the episode's release. Questions which are answered adequately should be redacted and moved to analysis. It should be our expectation that contributors will do this themselves, and not wait for a mop boy to do the gruntwork. Redaction is particularly excrutiating given the current server problems and the issue of edit collisions. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:50, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
	:::Again, 100% agree. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 21:55, 25 October 2006 (CDT)		:::Again, 100% agree. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 21:55, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

			== Updates to Guides ==

			=== Images in Guides and Analysis section ===
			The best looking example of how we should do image in guides and maybe a better version of Analysis sections is in the "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" guide. The headers and images in each act give it some interactive flavor. I have added an image to the notes section for [[Six of One]] and [[The Ties That Bind]], but those are sections that usually show one thing that is important. Comments? [[BW:SAC]] page would need to be updated. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 16:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
			=== Act vs. Location ===
			We really also gotta update old guides to the Act Format or Location format. Location format should only be used if the episode has two or more story lines happening. Acts should always be four and flushed out in detail. Comments? [[BW:SAC]] page would need to be updated. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 16:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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	::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I used the idea of collecting each line item into scenes and naming the scene location from scriptwriting practices. The reason I liked the definition list is because the default formatting makes it a little easier on the eyes to separate the list items than from an unordered or ordered list. The bullet points for some reason just made it all blend together. Another possibility is to change the CSS for a definition list so that the "headword" appears inline with the definition. shrug Speaking of CSS, it seems like the image thumbnails need some padding around them. The text hits right up against the image border (on Firefox using default skin). --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 23:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		:I used the idea of collecting each line item into scenes and naming the scene location from scriptwriting practices. The reason I liked the definition list is because the default formatting makes it a little easier on the eyes to separate the list items than from an unordered or ordered list. The bullet points for some reason just made it all blend together. Another possibility is to change the CSS for a definition list so that the "headword" appears inline with the definition. shrug Speaking of CSS, it seems like the image thumbnails need some padding around them. The text hits right up against the image border (on Firefox using default skin). --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 23:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			::From main.css: div.thumb {border:medium none;margin-bottom:0.5em;width:auto;} Suggest adding margin:0.5em or margin-left:0.5em. --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 23:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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	:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			:I used the idea of collecting each line item into scenes and naming the scene location from scriptwriting practices. The reason I liked the definition list is because the default formatting makes it a little easier on the eyes to separate the list items than from an unordered or ordered list. The bullet points for some reason just made it all blend together. Another possibility is to change the CSS for a definition list so that the "headword" appears inline with the definition. shrug Speaking of CSS, it seems like the image thumbnails need some padding around them. The text hits right up against the image border (on Firefox using default skin). --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 23:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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	::Here's a suggested format change. Use a definition list instead of an unordered list for the Acts. Each list item should be a scene. See example at: [[User:Tuzaa/Sandbox#Summary]] --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		::Here's a suggested format change. Use a definition list instead of an unordered list for the Acts. Each list item should be a scene. See example at: [[User:Tuzaa/Sandbox#Summary]] --[[User:Tuzaa\|Tuzaa]] 05:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)		:::Grouping them more logically, instead of starting a new bullet point when it's convenient is certainly a good idea. Scenes are fine. But personally, I don't like those additional headers. The paragraphs themselves point out where a scene takes place. As for the style in general. That depends on the person doing the summary. Some use more bullet points than others for some reason. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
			::::I agree with Serenity. Obviously, things can probably be tightened when it comes to when a bullet point is and should be used. Probably best to define such things in the [[BW:SAC\|standards and conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)