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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:54:40Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Nelena/Helena Cain */ fixing Cain link

2006-04-21T02:29:35Z

Nelena/Helena Cain: fixing Cain link

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	Okay. So, according to [http://scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/210/ this], Cain's name is Helena, not Nelena. The former seems like a much more, well, reasonable first name, but it could be a typo or whatever. Anyone know where we got Nelena from? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		Okay. So, according to [http://scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/210/ this], Cain's name is Helena, not Nelena. The former seems like a much more, well, reasonable first name, but it could be a typo or whatever. Anyone know where we got Nelena from? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	:Copying to [[Talk:Nelena Cain]] --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		:Copying to [[Talk:Helena Cain\|Talk:Nelena Cain]] --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:45, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	==More on Non-Canon Names==		==More on Non-Canon Names==

Unreal32: fix typo

2006-01-24T21:22:37Z

fix typo

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	=== Might Be a Cylon ===		=== Might Be a Cylon ===
	This topic ~~cmae~~ up in another thread entirely, so here's a place where talking about it is on-topic. I think we should shy away from having too many <soandso>-is-a-Cylon theories on character pages. If some character has been cast in a questionable light intentionally by the show or has some discussion that has merit (i.e. the "theory" is not simply that it remains unprooven that so-and-so is actually human), then by all means, we should have a few paragraphs at the end, citing evidence with show links and quotes, etc. I also think it would be worth creating a Category for people who've been proven to be Human and who've been shown to be Humano-Cylons. Thoughts? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 22:15, 12 September 2005 (EDT)		This topic came up in another thread entirely, so here's a place where talking about it is on-topic. I think we should shy away from having too many <soandso>-is-a-Cylon theories on character pages. If some character has been cast in a questionable light intentionally by the show or has some discussion that has merit (i.e. the "theory" is not simply that it remains unprooven that so-and-so is actually human), then by all means, we should have a few paragraphs at the end, citing evidence with show links and quotes, etc. I also think it would be worth creating a Category for people who've been proven to be Human and who've been shown to be Humano-Cylons. Thoughts? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 22:15, 12 September 2005 (EDT)

	:Sounds good. I'm just curious... RDM has carefully (and brilliantly) set up a situation that allows for the exposure of Humano-Cylons but somewhat precludes the possibility of confirming whether a character is genuinely human. It would indeed be gratifying to check off favorite characters from a list of possible Toasters, but I'm not sure how we could establish with certainty (without an explicit reveal by RDM) that Adama or Roslin or Dualla or whoever is flesh and blood. --[[User:Watcher\|Watcher]] 22:10, 10 October 2005 (EDT)		:Sounds good. I'm just curious... RDM has carefully (and brilliantly) set up a situation that allows for the exposure of Humano-Cylons but somewhat precludes the possibility of confirming whether a character is genuinely human. It would indeed be gratifying to check off favorite characters from a list of possible Toasters, but I'm not sure how we could establish with certainty (without an explicit reveal by RDM) that Adama or Roslin or Dualla or whoever is flesh and blood. --[[User:Watcher\|Watcher]] 22:10, 10 October 2005 (EDT)

Spencerian: /* Might Be a Cylon */ -Update

2006-01-24T21:05:34Z

Might Be a Cylon: -Update

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	::: I don't buy into the idea that the Cylons can make new humano-cylon models by copying a normal human. It's not been disproven, but that's so huge that to not hint at it until some late revelation would feel like a lie, more than a surprise, if you take my meaning. As for checking of characters... I was talking to, I think, Peter and he posited three lists. You have your Black List of humano-cylons, your White List of humans and your Grey List of probable humans. People like Bill Adama would be greylisted because they've got children, but that's not solid enough (for the afore mentioned reasons) to rule him completely out as a cylon. So, I think, anyway, the whitelist would only Helo. The greylist would include both Adamas (one has kids, the other has parents, both of which we can vouch for) and Col. Tigh (his whereabouts can be accounted for before the invention of Humano-cylons). The black-list is obvious. And everyone else isn't on a list. I don't know that we need to write these lists out, but that's how I think about the whole "Who's a Cylon" problem. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 18:20, 11 October 2005 (EDT)		::: I don't buy into the idea that the Cylons can make new humano-cylon models by copying a normal human. It's not been disproven, but that's so huge that to not hint at it until some late revelation would feel like a lie, more than a surprise, if you take my meaning. As for checking of characters... I was talking to, I think, Peter and he posited three lists. You have your Black List of humano-cylons, your White List of humans and your Grey List of probable humans. People like Bill Adama would be greylisted because they've got children, but that's not solid enough (for the afore mentioned reasons) to rule him completely out as a cylon. So, I think, anyway, the whitelist would only Helo. The greylist would include both Adamas (one has kids, the other has parents, both of which we can vouch for) and Col. Tigh (his whereabouts can be accounted for before the invention of Humano-cylons). The black-list is obvious. And everyone else isn't on a list. I don't know that we need to write these lists out, but that's how I think about the whole "Who's a Cylon" problem. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 18:20, 11 October 2005 (EDT)

			Looks like the RDM information on what the Cylons are have ended this discussion in part. I recommend that the parent Humano-Cylon article remain the repository for speculation of minor characters. For major characters whose identity is all but proven (the Adamas), stays on the page. Baltar's speculation is very large, and should remain on his page, as should any other characters with large speculations. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 16:05, 24 January 2006 (EST)

	== Fixing Name Links ==		== Fixing Name Links ==

Steelviper: Character Picture Standards?

2006-01-24T19:09:42Z

Character Picture Standards?

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	:I agree with Day. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 15:38, 25 October 2005 (EDT)		:I agree with Day. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 15:38, 25 October 2005 (EDT)

			==Character Picture Standards==
			I think it might be helpful if there were some policies (or at least guidelines) regarding character pictures (especially ones used in the character template). There has been some disagreement in the past over which picture ought to be in the template, and it might help if there were some standardized criteria that could help determine this. For example, some people have been uploading higher resolution images for use in the character template. While higher resolution is often better, in the case of the character template (when the images are going to max out at 200 px wide) a wide scene shot is going to look pretty tiny. A cropped shot of the head and shoulders will look pretty good at 200 px, and still look good at native resolution (if somebody wants to click through to the original). Personally, I try to use an 8x10 ratio when creating headshots, but others might have some ideas on that. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:09, 24 January 2006 (EST)

Day: /* Fixing Name Links */ NOW killed links.

2006-01-19T11:45:46Z

Fixing Name Links: NOW killed links.

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	::No. This is easy to see by clicking on the "What links here" link on the left-hand side of the monobook skin. If you get that information on a page with redirects, those are also listed. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 20:56, 15 September 2005 (EDT)		::No. This is easy to see by clicking on the "What links here" link on the left-hand side of the monobook skin. If you get that information on a page with redirects, those are also listed. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 20:56, 15 September 2005 (EDT)

	::: Er... Yes. That's how I got the URL in the first place. But we don't want anything to link to, say, [[Thrace, Kara]]. At least, Jow asked that we not do that. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I think you missed my point. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:52, 16 September 2005 (EDT)		::: Er... Yes. That's how I got the URL in the first place. But we don't want anything to link to, say, <nowiki>[[Thrace, Kara]]</nowiki>. At least, Jow asked that we not do that. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I think you missed my point. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:52, 16 September 2005 (EDT)

	== Image Discussion ==		== Image Discussion ==

Day: /* Fixing Name Links */ killed links

2006-01-19T11:44:28Z

Fixing Name Links: killed links

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	: On further thought, let me be a bit more explicit. Each name on the list would have to have the following in formation:<br/>		: On further thought, let me be a bit more explicit. Each name on the list would have to have the following in formation:<br/>
	:*[[Kara Thrace]]: [[Thrace, Kara]], [[Kara]], [[Thrace]], [[Starbuck]]<br/>		:*<nowiki>[[Kara Thrace]]: [[Thrace, Kara]], [[Kara]], [[Thrace]], [[Starbuck]]</nowiki><br/>
	: So the list couldn't be done horizontally. It would have to be a vertical list of every character we have, and a horizontal list of any possible aliases they have which might be used as links in articles. Boo. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 17:56, 15 September 2005 (EDT)		: So the list couldn't be done horizontally. It would have to be a vertical list of every character we have, and a horizontal list of any possible aliases they have which might be used as links in articles. Boo. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 17:56, 15 September 2005 (EDT)

April Arcus: /* When to add a Picture */

2006-01-02T06:39:46Z

When to add a Picture

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	===When to add a Picture===		===When to add a Picture===
	So there are, as of this writing, two characters in the "wanting pictures" list that I'm unsure of: [[Socinus]] and [[Sue-Shaun]]. Neither article is very long and I don't want to over-burden them with images. Especially considering that our usage of images is under "fair use", which, as I understand it, means we are supposed to take small samplings, I feel we could potentially put ourselves on thin ice by putting two pictures (close-up and action-shot), into very short articles. Anyone else have a thought? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:01, 2 January 2006 (EST)		So there are, as of this writing, two characters in the "wanting pictures" list that I'm unsure of: [[Socinus]] and [[Sue-Shaun]]. Neither article is very long and I don't want to over-burden them with images. Especially considering that our usage of images is under "fair use", which, as I understand it, means we are supposed to take small samplings, I feel we could potentially put ourselves on thin ice by putting two pictures (close-up and action-shot), into very short articles. Anyone else have a thought? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:01, 2 January 2006 (EST)

			:I agree with your hesitancy. Each probably deserves a close-up only. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:39, 2 January 2006 (EST)

	== Nelena/Helena Cain ==		== Nelena/Helena Cain ==

Day: /* Image Discussion */

2006-01-02T06:01:22Z

Image Discussion

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	: I tried getting an image as well, and I agree that the lighting conditions are too poor to get an adequate screenshot. Perhaps when the DVDs come out, we may get a better quality image... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:23, 23 September 2005 (EDT)		: I tried getting an image as well, and I agree that the lighting conditions are too poor to get an adequate screenshot. Perhaps when the DVDs come out, we may get a better quality image... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:23, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

			===When to add a Picture===
			So there are, as of this writing, two characters in the "wanting pictures" list that I'm unsure of: [[Socinus]] and [[Sue-Shaun]]. Neither article is very long and I don't want to over-burden them with images. Especially considering that our usage of images is under "fair use", which, as I understand it, means we are supposed to take small samplings, I feel we could potentially put ourselves on thin ice by putting two pictures (close-up and action-shot), into very short articles. Anyone else have a thought? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:01, 2 January 2006 (EST)

	== Nelena/Helena Cain ==		== Nelena/Helena Cain ==

Day: /* More on Non-Canon Names */

2006-01-02T05:56:03Z

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	In which episode was Galen Tyrol's first name mentioned on screen? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 17:22, 27 September 2005 (EDT)		In which episode was Galen Tyrol's first name mentioned on screen? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 17:22, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

			: Sorted and ''[[Resistance]]'' while he's being interrogated. I can't be credited with figuring either of those out, but I thought I'd mention that it has been done. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 00:56, 2 January 2006 (EST)

	== Number Six Notes Ambiguity ==		== Number Six Notes Ambiguity ==

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	So... Do we make the first section '''Biography''' or '''Biographical Notes'''? The project page says "Biographical Notes" right now, but I just picked on arbitrarily when I typed that out. So if someone actually has an opinion, change the project page, maybe make it bold for noticibility, then we'll have to go through and police the articles for that while we're out doing all this formatting and picture-adding and template-fixing. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 17:10, 2 September 2005 (EDT)		So... Do we make the first section '''Biography''' or '''Biographical Notes'''? The project page says "Biographical Notes" right now, but I just picked on arbitrarily when I typed that out. So if someone actually has an opinion, change the project page, maybe make it bold for noticibility, then we'll have to go through and police the articles for that while we're out doing all this formatting and picture-adding and template-fixing. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 17:10, 2 September 2005 (EDT)

	:Since many articles already have a "Notes" section, I think "Biography" reads best. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:53, 2 September 2005 (EDT)		:Since many articles already have a "Notes" section, I think "Biography" reads best. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:53, 2 September 2005 (EDT)

	=== Might Be a Cylon ===		=== Might Be a Cylon ===
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	: So the list couldn't be done horizontally. It would have to be a vertical list of every character we have, and a horizontal list of any possible aliases they have which might be used as links in articles. Boo. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 17:56, 15 September 2005 (EDT)		: So the list couldn't be done horizontally. It would have to be a vertical list of every character we have, and a horizontal list of any possible aliases they have which might be used as links in articles. Boo. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 17:56, 15 September 2005 (EDT)

	::No. This is easy to see by clicking on the "What links here" link on the left-hand side of the monobook skin. If you get that information on a page with redirects, those are also listed. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 20:56, 15 September 2005 (EDT)		::No. This is easy to see by clicking on the "What links here" link on the left-hand side of the monobook skin. If you get that information on a page with redirects, those are also listed. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 20:56, 15 September 2005 (EDT)

	::: Er... Yes. That's how I got the URL in the first place. But we don't want anything to link to, say, <nowiki>[[Thrace, Kara]]</nowiki>. At least, Jow asked that we not do that. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I think you missed my point. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:52, 16 September 2005 (EDT)		::: Er... Yes. That's how I got the URL in the first place. But we don't want anything to link to, say, <nowiki>[[Thrace, Kara]]</nowiki>. At least, Jow asked that we not do that. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I think you missed my point. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:52, 16 September 2005 (EDT)
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	So there are, as of this writing, two characters in the "wanting pictures" list that I'm unsure of: [[Socinus]] and [[Sue-Shaun]]. Neither article is very long and I don't want to over-burden them with images. Especially considering that our usage of images is under "fair use", which, as I understand it, means we are supposed to take small samplings, I feel we could potentially put ourselves on thin ice by putting two pictures (close-up and action-shot), into very short articles. Anyone else have a thought? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:01, 2 January 2006 (EST)		So there are, as of this writing, two characters in the "wanting pictures" list that I'm unsure of: [[Socinus]] and [[Sue-Shaun]]. Neither article is very long and I don't want to over-burden them with images. Especially considering that our usage of images is under "fair use", which, as I understand it, means we are supposed to take small samplings, I feel we could potentially put ourselves on thin ice by putting two pictures (close-up and action-shot), into very short articles. Anyone else have a thought? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:01, 2 January 2006 (EST)

	:I agree with your hesitancy. Each probably deserves a close-up only. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:39, 2 January 2006 (EST)		:I agree with your hesitancy. Each probably deserves a close-up only. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:39, 2 January 2006 (EST)

	== Nelena/Helena Cain ==		== Nelena/Helena Cain ==
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	Okay. So, according to [http://scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/210/ this], Cain's name is Helena, not Nelena. The former seems like a much more, well, reasonable first name, but it could be a typo or whatever. Anyone know where we got Nelena from? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		Okay. So, according to [http://scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/210/ this], Cain's name is Helena, not Nelena. The former seems like a much more, well, reasonable first name, but it could be a typo or whatever. Anyone know where we got Nelena from? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	:Copying to [[Talk:Helena Cain\|Talk:Nelena Cain]] --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:45, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		:Copying to [[Talk:Helena Cain\|Talk:Nelena Cain]] --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:45, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	==More on Non-Canon Names==		==More on Non-Canon Names==
	Someone needs to figure out who Layne, Ishay, and Kim are, and which is which. The current state of affairs is very confusing.		Someone needs to figure out who Layne, Ishay, and Kim are, and which is which. The current state of affairs is very confusing.

	In which episode was Galen Tyrol's first name mentioned on screen? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:22, 27 September 2005 (EDT)		In which episode was Galen Tyrol's first name mentioned on screen? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:22, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

	: Sorted and ''[[Resistance]]'' while he's being interrogated. I can't be credited with figuring either of those out, but I thought I'd mention that it has been done. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 00:56, 2 January 2006 (EST)		: Sorted and ''[[Resistance]]'' while he's being interrogated. I can't be credited with figuring either of those out, but I thought I'd mention that it has been done. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 00:56, 2 January 2006 (EST)
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	Hey, there. I condensed the Notes in the Number Six article since (1) there was only one item in each note, (2) the information there was trivial and not plot-related, and (3) there were three distinctive Notes...which wrecks sub-article referencing, such as [[Number Six#Notes]] as it cannot distinguish the last Notes subhead from the first two. I understand the advantage of separation there, but either each Note subarticle must have a unique name (such as "Notes about Gina") or they should be condensed into a single Notes item, unless there is a wiki way of doing it that I can grasp. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 12:11, 10 October 2005 (EDT)		Hey, there. I condensed the Notes in the Number Six article since (1) there was only one item in each note, (2) the information there was trivial and not plot-related, and (3) there were three distinctive Notes...which wrecks sub-article referencing, such as [[Number Six#Notes]] as it cannot distinguish the last Notes subhead from the first two. I understand the advantage of separation there, but either each Note subarticle must have a unique name (such as "Notes about Gina") or they should be condensed into a single Notes item, unless there is a wiki way of doing it that I can grasp. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 12:11, 10 October 2005 (EDT)

	:It is possible to make section links disambiguate between two sections with the same name - see [[Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Section#Section_linking\|Wikipedia:Section#Section_linking]]. (Examples: [[Number Six#Notes\|Notes on Shelly Godfrey]], [[Number Six#Notes 2\|Notes on Gina]], [[Number Six#Notes 3\|Notes on Model Six]]) --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:32, 10 October 2005 (EDT)		:It is possible to make section links disambiguate between two sections with the same name - see [[Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Section#Section_linking\|Wikipedia:Section#Section_linking]]. (Examples: [[Number Six#Notes\|Notes on Shelly Godfrey]], [[Number Six#Notes 2\|Notes on Gina]], [[Number Six#Notes 3\|Notes on Model Six]]) --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:32, 10 October 2005 (EDT)

	::With a sip of coffee, I think I understood that...so the numerical count is the diambiguator where the article finds the next item named "Notes"? OK. That works for me. It still leaves the article a bit ugly in my mind, but if the collective says OK, then I'll stick with it. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 19:58, 10 October 2005 (EDT)		::With a sip of coffee, I think I understood that...so the numerical count is the diambiguator where the article finds the next item named "Notes"? OK. That works for me. It still leaves the article a bit ugly in my mind, but if the collective says OK, then I'll stick with it. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 19:58, 10 October 2005 (EDT)

	:::I agree that it leaves something to be desired. If you think of something better, let us know. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:35, 10 October 2005 (EDT)		:::I agree that it leaves something to be desired. If you think of something better, let us know. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:35, 10 October 2005 (EDT)

	== When to use the Template ==		== When to use the Template ==
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	:: When in doubt, at least scan the topics of a talk page's archive at the top. Viola (or cello, if you like): [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Characters/Archive01#Layout in Humano-Cylon Articles]]. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 15:13, 25 October 2005 (EDT)		:: When in doubt, at least scan the topics of a talk page's archive at the top. Viola (or cello, if you like): [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Characters/Archive01#Layout in Humano-Cylon Articles]]. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 15:13, 25 October 2005 (EDT)

	:I agree with Day. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 15:38, 25 October 2005 (EDT)		:I agree with Day. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 15:38, 25 October 2005 (EDT)

	==Character Picture Standards==		==Character Picture Standards==
	I think it might be helpful if there were some policies (or at least guidelines) regarding character pictures (especially ones used in the character template). There has been some disagreement in the past over which picture ought to be in the template, and it might help if there were some standardized criteria that could help determine this. For example, some people have been uploading higher resolution images for use in the character template. While higher resolution is often better, in the case of the character template (when the images are going to max out at 200 px wide) a wide scene shot is going to look pretty tiny. A cropped shot of the head and shoulders will look pretty good at 200 px, and still look good at native resolution (if somebody wants to click through to the original). Personally, I try to use an 8x10 ratio when creating headshots, but others might have some ideas on that. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:09, 24 January 2006 (EST)		I think it might be helpful if there were some policies (or at least guidelines) regarding character pictures (especially ones used in the character template). There has been some disagreement in the past over which picture ought to be in the template, and it might help if there were some standardized criteria that could help determine this. For example, some people have been uploading higher resolution images for use in the character template. While higher resolution is often better, in the case of the character template (when the images are going to max out at 200 px wide) a wide scene shot is going to look pretty tiny. A cropped shot of the head and shoulders will look pretty good at 200 px, and still look good at native resolution (if somebody wants to click through to the original). Personally, I try to use an 8x10 ratio when creating headshots, but others might have some ideas on that. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 14:09, 24 January 2006 (EST)