https://en.battlestarwiki.org/Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane/history?feed=atom&Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment/Shane - Revision history2024-03-28T22:06:57ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.40.1https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane&diff=221090&oldid=prevApril Arcus: name change2020-04-11T08:41:57Z<p>name change</p>
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</table>April Arcushttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane&diff=221046&oldid=prevApril Arcus: name change2020-04-11T06:46:25Z<p>name change</p>
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<a href="https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane&diff=221043&oldid=220547">Show changes</a>April Arcushttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane&diff=220547&oldid=prevJoe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"2020-04-11T01:54:11Z<p>Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"</p>
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How many months were those things sitting around half finished? 2? 3? Visitors to the site probably didn't know what the heck was going on: we only just started getting a handle on the Portals. Nextly, Shane's been going into "Little Red Hen" mentality that "I made the Portals and new front page and I'm not made Administrator as a result?"--->Shane may have accumulated 5,000 edits rather quickly, but most of Shane's changes have been to the [[Wikipedia:Big Dig|Big Dig]]-like Portals project. Peter and myself passed 5,000 edits some time ago...the actual number doesn't mean anything towards ''Administratorship''. The Portals project and front page were not one of Shane's biggest claims to good behavior or something: they were controversial not planned out and I think a lot of you will admit caused a lot of yelling and fighting on ''BattlestarWiki''. They're nice, but in terms of "Battlestar Galactica information added" Spencerian, Peter, myself, Steelviper, lots of other users have contributed more, with information, with less edits. --->but moving on, '''Requests for Administratorship are sacrosanct''', and people CAN vote against you. It's actually up for Joe to determine if these votes are based on merite (that is, Spencerian pointing out that Shane has had judgement problems) vs. that loraque guy who never even comes to this wiki popping in to vote against me when he heard there was an RFC. That type of thing is up to Joe: but I think we'd all agree that Peter actually had "reasons" based on past behavior, for voting against Shane, and it is a ''serious sign that Shane is not yet ready to be an Administrator'', and show the moderation ability an Administrator needs, if he starts requests for comment when people vote against him. ------>Moving on, yes, an Administrator needs to be able to try to resolve disputes. I've got times I've tried to do that with other users, so has Peter, Spence, SV, lots of other people. Shane just gets angry when people ''disagree'' with him and acts like he's been attacked. Another aspect of the "moderation" part is deciding what to put into BSwiki--->Shane just tends to believe whatever he hears when we get rumors or new information. Case in point '''I strongly agree with Peter''' when it came to the Bradley Thompson thing: I'm happy it was indeed him but there's every chance it wasn't, and Shane just instantly assumed it was Thompson without confirmation...and proceeded to make more templates about official production team status and changes to his user page and such. To be honest, Shane is GREAT at making Wiki code and templates, but his contributions to the actual battlestar information *in terms of weighing options and deciding what to keep, what to concise, what to leave out and what to '''compromise with others on'''*...well he just tends to believe everything, do what he wants and then jump into a whirlwind of work without asking the rest of us. Yikes; during the Portals project's long production I remember ''several'' of us practially *Demanding* that he at least ''pause'' what he was doing, and he went on to make MORE portals. ------->I don't want to yell at Shane because he means well, but he has been pretty irresponsible. I mean I goofed up on that KR thing, but that wasn't a "behavior pattern" so much as just a big goof, and moreover, I recinded that and have been trying to come to terms with KR through PM's and other stuff on the messageboards. Six months ago I was "that hothead guy" I admit (bear in mind, in college I'm functioning on 3 hours of sleep on a regular basis and thus was predictably "short" at the time, but I'm more coherent now, and, on the whole I sohuld hope, I'm been more compromising or at least discussiing why I feel things. I don't think that in his current performance, Shane should be an Administrator so I agreed with Spencerian and Peter: does this mean I "hate" Shane and have a "grudge" with him? No. Nor does Peter. He's an Admin and he's trying to enforce our Conventions and behavior and such. Reacting to a vote against his RFA by Peter by making a request for comment was really a clear sign that he doesn't have the right behavior needed for Administrator status. If anything I feel that Shane's behavior "breaks even"; the portals and new front page are nice, but their creation and implementation have caused a lot of arguement here, and Shane's just seems easily bruised by comments. It took me a while to realize I couldn't respond to stuff here the way I would on a messageboard, but I ''did'' eventually. I don't think we should give Shane a warning ban or censure or such felgercarb, he's an okay guy he just needs to work on his behavior around the wiki more and show restraint a little. Six months time, who knows? things might turn around and then I'll vote for him. But right now, I dunno. I agree with Peter on a lot of his points, as I did with Spencerian's on the RFA. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:51, 25 June 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:#Yes. I agree very much with numbers 1 and 4. Shane is a good contributor, but rarely compromises and just goes ahead and does things, and gets angry and thinks we're "attacking" him when we tell him to show moderation in such matters. I mean, many times I or others here make a template change, to show how it would ''look'', as a test that is, and we're just "trying it out", but we'll change it back if it's unpopular and we haven't really implemented grand template changes on a massive scale. ---->I think the Portals project was one of the worst handled projects we've ever had. Shane made them without broad consensus but far more importantly, without planning them out far in advance. How many months were those things sitting around half finished? 2? 3? Visitors to the site probably didn't know what the heck was going on: we only just started getting a handle on the Portals. Nextly, Shane's been going into "Little Red Hen" mentality that "I made the Portals and new front page and I'm not made Administrator as a result?"--->Shane may have accumulated 5,000 edits rather quickly, but most of Shane's changes have been to the [[Wikipedia:Big Dig|Big Dig]]-like Portals project. Peter and myself passed 5,000 edits some time ago...the actual number doesn't mean anything towards ''Administratorship''. The Portals project and front page were not one of Shane's biggest claims to good behavior or something: they were controversial not planned out and I think a lot of you will admit caused a lot of yelling and fighting on ''BattlestarWiki''. They're nice, but in terms of "Battlestar Galactica information added" Spencerian, Peter, myself, Steelviper, lots of other users have contributed more, with information, with less edits. --->but moving on, '''Requests for Administratorship are sacrosanct''', and people CAN vote against you. It's actually up for Joe to determine if these votes are based on merite (that is, Spencerian pointing out that Shane has had judgement problems) vs. that loraque guy who never even comes to this wiki popping in to vote against me when he heard there was an RFC. That type of thing is up to Joe: but I think we'd all agree that Peter actually had "reasons" based on past behavior, for voting against Shane, and it is a ''serious sign that Shane is not yet ready to be an Administrator'', and show the moderation ability an Administrator needs, if he starts requests for comment when people vote against him. ------>Moving on, yes, an Administrator needs to be able to try to resolve disputes. I've got times I've tried to do that with other users, so has Peter, Spence, SV, lots of other people. Shane just gets angry when people ''disagree'' with him and acts like he's been attacked. Another aspect of the "moderation" part is deciding what to put into BSwiki--->Shane just tends to believe whatever he hears when we get rumors or new information. Case in point '''I strongly agree with Peter''' when it came to the Bradley Thompson thing: I'm happy it was indeed him but there's every chance it wasn't, and Shane just instantly assumed it was Thompson without confirmation...and proceeded to make more templates about official production team status and changes to his user page and such. To be honest, Shane is GREAT at making Wiki code and templates, but his contributions to the actual battlestar information *in terms of weighing options and deciding what to keep, what to concise, what to leave out and what to '''compromise with others on'''*...well he just tends to believe everything, do what he wants and then jump into a whirlwind of work without asking the rest of us. Yikes; during the Portals project's long production I remember ''several'' of us practially *Demanding* that he at least ''pause'' what he was doing, and he went on to make MORE portals. ------->I don't want to yell at Shane because he means well, but he has been pretty irresponsible. I mean I goofed up on that KR thing, but that wasn't a "behavior pattern" so much as just a big goof, and moreover, I recinded that and have been trying to come to terms with KR through PM's and other stuff on the messageboards. Six months ago I was "that hothead guy" I admit (bear in mind, in college I'm functioning on 3 hours of sleep on a regular basis and thus was predictably "short" at the time, but I'm more coherent now, and, on the whole I sohuld hope, I'm been more compromising or at least discussiing why I feel things. I don't think that in his current performance, Shane should be an Administrator so I agreed with Spencerian and Peter: does this mean I "hate" Shane and have a "grudge" with him? No. Nor does Peter. He's an Admin and he's trying to enforce our Conventions and behavior and such. Reacting to a vote against his RFA by Peter by making a request for comment was really a clear sign that he doesn't have the right behavior needed for Administrator status. If anything I feel that Shane's behavior "breaks even"; the portals and new front page are nice, but their creation and implementation have caused a lot of arguement here, and Shane's just seems easily bruised by comments. It took me a while to realize I couldn't respond to stuff here the way I would on a messageboard, but I ''did'' eventually. I don't think we should give Shane a warning ban or censure or such felgercarb, he's an okay guy he just needs to work on his behavior around the wiki more and show restraint a little. Six months time, who knows? things might turn around and then I'll vote for him. But right now, I dunno. I agree with Peter on a lot of his points, as I did with Spencerian's on the RFA. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 09:51, 25 June 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]]:{{support}}. I hope that at the end of this RFC process we recognize the fact that '''there is a problem/conflict''' and that there are '''people trying to figure out a solution'''. This remedy begins as a solution to an individual problem, but I hope that it may evolve into a larger solution. We don't usually have problems with people making sweeping changes, usually not because they have the restraint not to make them, but because they don't have the idea or the iniative for such changes. The thought of a place to propose and discuss major changes appeals to me, and I hope it will be a place that prompts people to start to think outside the box and come up with ideas that may impact more than just one article. It is also important that '''such ideas be discussed, debated, and refined before they are implemented''', since a great deal of effort might be spent implementing those ideas (or reverting them, if the consensus does not agree with them). I think we can come to some sort of compromise whereby the integrity and consistency of the wiki is maintained, but where new and radical ideas can be debated reasonably, and '''if agreed upon''', implemented. The fact that this (RFC) page is growing as large as it has is a testament to the love and care that the people/editors have for this community. The simple/straightforward solution would have been terse calls for an indefinite ban, and that clearly has not happened here. I'm proud of that.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]]:{{support}}. I hope that at the end of this RFC process we recognize the fact that '''there is a problem/conflict''' and that there are '''people trying to figure out a solution'''. This remedy begins as a solution to an individual problem, but I hope that it may evolve into a larger solution. We don't usually have problems with people making sweeping changes, usually not because they have the restraint not to make them, but because they don't have the idea or the iniative for such changes. The thought of a place to propose and discuss major changes appeals to me, and I hope it will be a place that prompts people to start to think outside the box and come up with ideas that may impact more than just one article. It is also important that '''such ideas be discussed, debated, and refined before they are implemented''', since a great deal of effort might be spent implementing those ideas (or reverting them, if the consensus does not agree with them). I think we can come to some sort of compromise whereby the integrity and consistency of the wiki is maintained, but where new and radical ideas can be debated reasonably, and '''if agreed upon''', implemented. The fact that this (RFC) page is growing as large as it has is a testament to the love and care that the people/editors have for this community. The simple/straightforward solution would have been terse calls for an indefinite ban, and that clearly has not happened here. I'm proud of that.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Per Shane's request, I have restored my initial RFC from some months ago [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment/Shane (old)|here]]. --[[User:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Peter Farago</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Peter Farago</del>]] 12:46, 25 June 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Per Shane's request, I have restored my initial RFC from some months ago [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment/Shane (old)|here]]. --[[User:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">April Arcus</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">April Arcus</ins>]] 12:46, 25 June 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Joe Beaudoin Jr.https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane&diff=61653&oldid=prevCalculatinAvatar: /* Joe's proposal */ +agree2006-06-28T05:25:55Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Joe's proposal: </span> +agree</span></p>
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</table>CalculatinAvatarhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane&diff=61462&oldid=prevDay: /* Joe's proposal */ I VOTED!2006-06-27T04:20:34Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Joe's proposal: </span> I VOTED!</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::From an outside view, I think that Joe's proposal is fair. What is needed right now is a break for everyone. It would show me a lot if Shane voluntarily takes a week off. I think that the Think Tank idea is great and is generally needed, NOT just for Shane. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 08:04, 26 June 2006 (CDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::From an outside view, I think that Joe's proposal is fair. What is needed right now is a break for everyone. It would show me a lot if Shane voluntarily takes a week off. I think that the Think Tank idea is great and is generally needed, NOT just for Shane. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 08:04, 26 June 2006 (CDT)</div></td></tr>
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