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	*In [[Podcast:A Measure of Salvation\|his podcast]], Moore notes that this episode shares similarities to the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation\|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode, "[[MemoryAlpha:I, Borg\|I, Borg]]," though he does not mention the episode by name. Moore also noted that this episode was brought up for discussion during the writer's meetings to discuss development of this episode, as "I, Borg" discussed using a lone [[MemoryAlpha:Hugh\|Borg drone]] implanted with a computer virus to infect the [[MemoryAlpha:Borg\|Borg collective]].		*In [[Podcast:A Measure of Salvation\|his podcast]], Moore notes that this episode shares similarities to the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation\|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode, "[[MemoryAlpha:I, Borg\|I, Borg]]," though he does not mention the episode by name. Moore also noted that this episode was brought up for discussion during the writer's meetings to discuss development of this episode, as "I, Borg" discussed using a lone [[MemoryAlpha:Hugh\|Borg drone]] implanted with a computer virus to infect the [[MemoryAlpha:Borg\|Borg collective]].
	*The location in space of the attempted attack on the Cylons is designated "The Region of [[NCD2539]] Above/North."		*The location in space of the attempted attack on the Cylons is designated "The Region of [[NCD2539]] Above/North."
	*The Cylon [[Hybrid]] does not appear in this episode despite actress Tiffany Lyndall-Knight's name appearing in the ending credits.		*The Cylon [[Hybrid]] does not appear in this episode despite actress [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]]'s name appearing in the ending credits.<ref group="commentary" name="galactica_tv_interview_cut_scenes_measure">{{cite web\|url=http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003-interviews/tiffany-lyndall-knight-galactica.tv-interview.html#:~:text=That%20one%20with%20the%20sick%20Hybrid%20would%20have%20been%20nice\|title=Tiffany Lyndall Knight GALACTICA.TV interview\|author=Marcel Damen\|publisher=GALACTICA.TV\|date=August 17, 2008\|accessdate=August 12, 2025\|archive=Y}}</ref> Lyndall-Knight confirmed that scenes were cut due to design changes in the Hybrid's appearance between episodes, requiring reshoots that were not completed for all episodes.<ref group="commentary" name="galactica_tv_interview_design_evolution">{{cite web\|url=http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003-interviews/tiffany-lyndall-knight-galactica.tv-interview.html#:~:text=different%20design%20for%20the%20whole%20Hybrid%20look.%20We%20shot%20the%20first%20two%20episodes\|title=Tiffany Lyndall Knight GALACTICA.TV interview\|author=Marcel Damen\|publisher=GALACTICA.TV\|date=August 17, 2008\|accessdate=August 12, 2025\|archive=Y}}</ref> She described one cut scene featuring "the sick Hybrid" where she would have been repeating "Dead, dead, dead" while [[James Callis]] was strangling [[Tricia Helfer]], which she felt "would have been nice" to include.<ref group="commentary" name="galactica_tv_interview_sick_hybrid_scene">{{cite web\|url=http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-2003-interviews/tiffany-lyndall-knight-galactica.tv-interview.html#:~:text=That%20one%20with%20the%20sick%20Hybrid%20would%20have%20been%20nice%20because%20it%20was%20quite%20traumatic\|title=Tiffany Lyndall Knight GALACTICA.TV interview\|author=Marcel Damen\|publisher=GALACTICA.TV\|date=August 17, 2008\|accessdate=August 12, 2025\|archive=Y}}</ref>
	*A scene depicted in a promotional photo showing Number Six and Three in a projected forest was cut from the episode. The scene also showed them speaking in Number Three's projection of a cathedral. The scene is included on the DVD release.		*A scene depicted in a promotional photo showing Number Six and Three in a projected forest was cut from the episode. The scene also showed them speaking in Number Three's projection of a cathedral. The scene is included on the DVD release.
	*Other [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#A Measure of Salvation\|scenes cut]] from the episode include Kara Thrace interrogating a Leoben model in a callback to "[[Flesh and Bone]]" and Admiral Adama surveying the Cylon basestar in a Raptor.		*Other [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#A Measure of Salvation\|scenes cut]] from the episode include Kara Thrace interrogating a Leoben model in a callback to "[[Flesh and Bone]]" and Admiral Adama surveying the Cylon basestar in a Raptor.
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	**Conceptually, there is actually very little difference between a physical and a computer virus. Both usurp cell function. Moreover, if the virus is a retrovirus, its genome (be it physical or digital) will be transcribed into the cellular DNA, which might be downloaded to the Resurrection Ship.		**Conceptually, there is actually very little difference between a physical and a computer virus. Both usurp cell function. Moreover, if the virus is a retrovirus, its genome (be it physical or digital) will be transcribed into the cellular DNA, which might be downloaded to the Resurrection Ship.
	**That the Centurions and Raider are disabled as well might hint at a digital component, but in "[[Torn]]" it is noted that the Centurions shut down as soon as the [[Hybrid]] became infected. This indicates that the Hybrid is in some sort of contact with the Centurions. Moreover, Raiders are partly biological and could be infected in their hangars.		**That the Centurions and Raider are disabled as well might hint at a digital component, but in "[[Torn]]" it is noted that the Centurions shut down as soon as the [[Hybrid]] became infected. This indicates that the Hybrid is in some sort of contact with the Centurions. Moreover, Raiders are partly biological and could be infected in their hangars.
	*Dr. Cottle explains that Cylons carry antibodies that break down the RNA of his proposed vaccine. However antibodies have no disintegrative functionality, and only prime recognized pathogens for phagocytosis, though he may have simplified the explanation. But as vaccines are developed from the pathogenic organism (or a close relative) it would be impossible for the Cylons to carry antibodies specific for the vaccine RNA (or for the products it encodes) or otherwise they would be immune to the ~~pathonogenic~~ virus itself.		*Dr. Cottle explains that Cylons carry antibodies that break down the RNA of his proposed vaccine. However antibodies have no disintegrative functionality, and only prime recognized pathogens for phagocytosis, though he may have simplified the explanation. But as vaccines are developed from the pathogenic organism (or a close relative) it would be impossible for the Cylons to carry antibodies specific for the vaccine RNA (or for the products it encodes) or otherwise they would be immune to the pathogenic virus itself.
	*The genetic pool the Cylons were created from may predate the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This may indicate another, non-Colonial, source for the DNA.		*The genetic pool the Cylons were created from may predate the human immunity to the plague from just a couple hundred years ago, yet the Cylons, even as a class of machines, are only 40 to 60 years old. This may indicate another, non-Colonial, source for the DNA.
	**There is. The humanoid Cylons were created by the [[Final Five\|Five]], who are two thousand years old.		**There is. The humanoid Cylons were created by the [[Final Five\|Five]], who are two thousand years old.
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	*In this episode, [[Raptor]]s are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]], "[[The Hand of God (RDM)\|The Hand of God]]"), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]," "[[Fragged]]"), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I\|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II\|Part II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.		*In this episode, [[Raptor]]s are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]], "[[The Hand of God (RDM)\|The Hand of God]]"), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]," "[[Fragged]]"), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I\|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II\|Part II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.
	*[[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him "D'Anna," to which she responds. However, this is not the reporter copy that hid in the Fleet. She is the same copy that was on Caprica trying to box Caprica-Six and Boomer before Caprica-Six killed her {{TRS\|Downloaded}}: It is shown that she is the same as the one having dreams on New Caprica, who in turn is identified as the "Downloaded" copy.		*[[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him "D'Anna," to which she responds. However, this is not the reporter copy that hid in the Fleet. She is the same copy that was on Caprica trying to box Caprica-Six and Boomer before Caprica-Six killed her {{TRS\|Downloaded}}: It is shown that she is the same as the one having dreams on New Caprica, who in turn is identified as the "Downloaded" copy.
	*[[Gaeta]] is surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, even though he was there when Number Three offered Baltar evacuation from New Caprica. Therefore, Gaeta likely assumed that Baltar has not survived as Baltar went off to forcefully prevent the nuclear detonation on New Caprica, thus betraying the Cylons. Therefore Baltar would have little chance of survival at the hands of the Cylons, let alone being their "guest". It should be noted that extenuating circumstances, such as Baltar's rescue of Hera and his aid in helping the Cylons find the road to Earth are the main reasons why the Cylons let him exist on the basestar.		*[[Felix Gaeta]] is surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, even though he was there when Number Three offered Baltar evacuation from New Caprica. Therefore, Gaeta likely assumed that Baltar has not survived as Baltar went off to forcefully prevent the nuclear detonation on New Caprica, thus betraying the Cylons. Therefore Baltar would have little chance of survival at the hands of the Cylons, let alone being their "guest." It should be noted that extenuating circumstances, such as Baltar's rescue of Hera and his aid in helping the Cylons find the road to Earth are the main reasons why the Cylons let him exist on the basestar.
	*In a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#A Measure of Salvation\|deleted scene]] Apollo says they need everyone in the air for this mission, including those who would normally not have flight status. As he says this he (and the camera) looks right at ~~Starbuck~~ indicating he was talking about her~~. This clarifies~~ that Thrace is still officially grounded after the events of "[[Torn]]".		*In a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#A Measure of Salvation\|deleted scene]] Apollo says they need everyone in the air for this mission, including those who would normally not have flight status. As he says this he (and the camera) looks right at Thrace indicating he was talking about her, thus clarifying that Thrace is still officially grounded after the events of "[[Torn]]."
	*Adama cites the danger of the disease as an excuse to not bring the beacon to Galactica, despite Cottle's request. The beacon is subsequently destroyed when the basestar self-destructs. This sequence covers a potential plot hole involving the beacon ... considering its relationship to the 13th tribe, the beacon would have been of great interest to the fleet, and would have raised the question of why more time in the episode wasn't devoted to studying it. Instead, the fleet loses a valuable clue, making their road to Earth more difficult. Still, Adama's excuse about the disease is rather flimsy, though he didn't know the ship would blow up and he probably thought they could retrieve the beacon later after the quarantine issue was cleared up.		*Adama cites the danger of the disease as an excuse to not bring the beacon to Galactica, despite Cottle's request. The beacon is subsequently destroyed when the basestar self-destructs. This sequence covers a potential plot hole involving the beacon ... considering its relationship to the 13th tribe, the beacon would have been of great interest to the fleet, and would have raised the question of why more time in the episode wasn't devoted to studying it. Instead, the fleet loses a valuable clue, making their road to Earth more difficult. Still, Adama's excuse about the disease is rather flimsy, though he didn't know the ship would blow up and he probably thought they could retrieve the beacon later after the quarantine issue was cleared up.

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	* ''[[Lucy Lawless]] talks to '''iF Magazine''' about the torture scene:''		* ''[[Lucy Lawless]] talks to '''iF Magazine''' about the torture scene:''
	*: '''Lawless:''' "The difficulty was I had to pretend to not be hearing Six who was sitting right beside us carrying on a conversation with him. I was supposed to be completely unaware of this sort of cyber sex relationship, and yet I could hear her and it was a little annoying. In particular when the camera is on you; just let it be your scene, but I ~~didn’t~~ want to break [[James Callis\|James]] [Callis]’ spell by asking for things to be changed."<ref>{{cite_web\|url=http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1773\|title= iF MAGAZINE Gets Probed by Friendly Cylon & Former Warrior Princess - Part 1\|date=28 November 2006\|accessdate=28 November 2006\|last=Elliot\|first=Sean\|format=html\|language=English}}</ref>		*: '''Lawless:''' "The difficulty was I had to pretend to not be hearing Six who was sitting right beside us carrying on a conversation with him. I was supposed to be completely unaware of this sort of cyber sex relationship, and yet I could hear her and it was a little annoying. In particular when the camera is on you; just let it be your scene, but I didn't want to break [[James Callis\|James]] [Callis]' spell by asking for things to be changed."<ref>{{cite_web\|url=http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1773\|title= iF MAGAZINE Gets Probed by Friendly Cylon & Former Warrior Princess - Part 1\|date=28 November 2006\|accessdate=28 November 2006\|last=Elliot\|first=Sean\|format=html\|language=English}}</ref>

	== Noteworthy Dialogue ==		== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
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			=== Commentary and Interviews ===
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	{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}		{{Episode list (RDM season 3)}}

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Karl Agathon" to "{{callsign|Karl Agathon}}"

2025-02-08T16:49:18Z

Text replacement - "Karl Agathon" to "{{callsign|Karl Agathon}}"

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	*It seems reasonable to assume that all members of ''Galactica''{{'\|s}} boarding party who boarded the baseship are not Cylons, save Sharon Agathon.		*It seems reasonable to assume that all members of ''Galactica''{{'\|s}} boarding party who boarded the baseship are not Cylons, save Sharon Agathon.
	*Baltar's boarding of the baseship does not discount [[Baltar as Cylon speculation\|Baltar from being a Cylon]], as Baltar was in a self-contained [[flight suit]] the entire time he was on the basestar. Using standard biohazard procedures, he would have remained in the suit which would be disinfected from the outside before taking it off.		*Baltar's boarding of the baseship does not discount [[Baltar as Cylon speculation\|Baltar from being a Cylon]], as Baltar was in a self-contained [[flight suit]] the entire time he was on the basestar. Using standard biohazard procedures, he would have remained in the suit which would be disinfected from the outside before taking it off.
	*The environmental controls seem to be circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] by pulling a single plug (unless this is just the last step in a longer process). One would assume that a warship has cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions.		*The environmental controls seem to be circumvented by {{callsign\|Karl Agathon}} by pulling a single plug (unless this is just the last step in a longer process). One would assume that a warship has cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions.
	*The quarantine procedures, sheets of plastic in rooms and hallways, seem ineffective. On a spaceship it should be possible to cut off selected areas from life support completely. Again, this might have been done for dramatic effect.		*The quarantine procedures, sheets of plastic in rooms and hallways, seem ineffective. On a spaceship it should be possible to cut off selected areas from life support completely. Again, this might have been done for dramatic effect.
	*Dramatic effect aside, the plan could be implemented faster by having the execution squad standing by for immediate action and having the FTL drives spun up at all times.		*Dramatic effect aside, the plan could be implemented faster by having the execution squad standing by for immediate action and having the FTL drives spun up at all times.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Lee Adama" to "{{callsign|Lee Adama}}"

2025-02-08T16:17:37Z

Text replacement - "Lee Adama" to "{{callsign|Lee Adama}}"

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	:''[[Lee Adama]] and {{callsign\|Athena}} are dispatched to investigate the derelict [[basestar (RDM)\|baseship]]. They find the [[humanoid Cylon]]s dying from a [[Lymphocytic encephalitis\|virulent disease]], which inspires Lee Adama to come up with a desperate plan against [[Cylons (RDM)\|their enemy]].''		:''{{callsign\|Lee Adama}} and {{callsign\|Athena}} are dispatched to investigate the derelict [[basestar (RDM)\|baseship]]. They find the [[humanoid Cylon]]s dying from a [[Lymphocytic encephalitis\|virulent disease]], which inspires Lee Adama to come up with a desperate plan against [[Cylons (RDM)\|their enemy]].''

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	*The wider implications of such an event could be religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explanations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.		*The wider implications of such an event could be religiously meaningful to the Cylons. Cylons have time and again shown religious deference by sometimes overlooking rational explanations. By saving the Cylon race Hera could have been elevated to messiah status, if her very creation has not already ordained her as one to the Cylons because their God proclaimed her creation.
	**The presence of Hera is profound enough to the Cylons, which could be preventing them from seeing that Hera could be used as a tool.		**The presence of Hera is profound enough to the Cylons, which could be preventing them from seeing that Hera could be used as a tool.
	*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan [[Lee Adama]] develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".		*There is a fundamental flaw in the plan {{callsign\|Lee Adama}} develops: Even if the virus successfully infects the [[Resurrection Ship]], the other Cylons would isolate that individual ship, thus preventing a widespread epidemic. The resulting impact on the Cylon fleet would be no greater than previous destruction of the Resurrection Ship in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]".
	**Apollo's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat. He could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another.		**Apollo's plan is based on an account of the Cylon analysis of the threat. He could simply assume they are correct and that the virus can spread like wildfire from one Resurrection Ship to another.
	**Also, by infecting a greater mass of ships, ''Galactica'' could board the ships, take much needed resources and more infected Cylons for further use as biological weapons.		**Also, by infecting a greater mass of ships, ''Galactica'' could board the ships, take much needed resources and more infected Cylons for further use as biological weapons.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Helo" to "{{callsign|Helo}}"

2024-12-30T23:42:48Z

Text replacement - "Helo" to "{{callsign|Helo}}"

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	*Some Cylons around the control center revive and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor."		*Some Cylons around the control center revive and advise the boarding party of the situation regarding the probe and subsequent infection of the Cylons. One of the infected Cylons, a [[Number Eight]], addresses Athena as "traitor."
	*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to ''Galactica'' when the basestar self-destructs.		*The boarding party and prisoners are en route back to ''Galactica'' when the basestar self-destructs.
	*''Galactica'' quarantines the boarding party and prisoners while Dr. [[Cottle]] finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. ~~[[Karl Agathon~~\|Helo]] is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.		*''Galactica'' quarantines the boarding party and prisoners while Dr. [[Cottle]] finds out if the virus affects humans. The human members of the boarding party are cleared while Athena is ordered to stay put, as her blood work hasn't been done. {{callsign\|Helo}} is infuriated, but wants to be notified as soon as her results are available.
	*Dr. Cottle's investigation identifies [[Lymphocytic encephalitis\|a virus]] that can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin\|President Roslin]], [[William Adama\|Admiral Adama]], Lee Adama, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because [[Resurrection (RDM)\|resurrection]] would infect the others. He also mentions that [[Gaius Baltar]] provided the information on the path to [[Earth (RDM)\|Earth]].		*Dr. Cottle's investigation identifies [[Lymphocytic encephalitis\|a virus]] that can be treated, but not cured for Cylons. [[Laura Roslin\|President Roslin]], [[William Adama\|Admiral Adama]], Lee Adama, and Helo discuss the idea of taunting the vaccine in exchange for information. A [[Simon]] is brought before them, and informs them that the entire baseship was abandoned, because [[Resurrection (RDM)\|resurrection]] would infect the others. He also mentions that [[Gaius Baltar]] provided the information on the path to [[Earth (RDM)\|Earth]].
	*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Lee Adama suggests a plan to eliminate the entire Cylon race by executing their prisoners in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]], where the downloaded consciousnesses would infect the remaining Cylons, because according to [[Simon]] the virus carries a bioelectric feedback component that could spread it even through the download process. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide.		*Aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'', Lee Adama suggests a plan to eliminate the entire Cylon race by executing their prisoners in range of a [[Resurrection Ship]], where the downloaded consciousnesses would infect the remaining Cylons, because according to [[Simon]] the virus carries a bioelectric feedback component that could spread it even through the download process. Helo scoffs at the idea, considering it genocide.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - ""," to ",""

2024-02-20T22:11:30Z

Text replacement - ""," to ",""

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Caprica Six" to "Caprica-Six"

2024-02-20T22:06:12Z

Text replacement - "Caprica Six" to "Caprica-Six"

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Sharon Agathon" to "{{callsign|Athena}}"

2024-02-19T04:06:58Z

Text replacement - "Sharon Agathon" to "{{callsign|Athena}}"

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	:''[[Lee Adama]] and ~~[[Sharon Agathon]]~~ are dispatched to investigate the derelict [[basestar (RDM)\|baseship]]. They find the [[humanoid Cylon]]s dying from a [[Lymphocytic encephalitis\|virulent disease]], which inspires Lee Adama to come up with a desperate plan against [[Cylons (RDM)\|their enemy]].''		:''[[Lee Adama]] and {{callsign\|Athena}} are dispatched to investigate the derelict [[basestar (RDM)\|baseship]]. They find the [[humanoid Cylon]]s dying from a [[Lymphocytic encephalitis\|virulent disease]], which inspires Lee Adama to come up with a desperate plan against [[Cylons (RDM)\|their enemy]].''

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	===The disease===		===The disease===
	*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It is quickly noted in the episode that ~~[[Sharon Agathon]]~~ is herself immune because fetal cells from [[Hera Agathon\|Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.		*The Cylons could have cured themselves of this plague relatively quickly, if ''Galactica'' had succeeded in infecting them. It is quickly noted in the episode that {{callsign\|Athena}} is herself immune because fetal cells from [[Hera Agathon\|Hera]] created effective antibodies against the virus. Hera is immune to the virus because she is a hybrid Human-Cylon. Now that she is in custody of the Cylons, Baltar could have utilized her immunity, as he previously did on Roslin, as capital to further his self-preservation amongst them.
	**It can be assumed that executing the captured Cylons will send them back to the Resurrection Ship, thus infecting the Cylon network.		**It can be assumed that executing the captured Cylons will send them back to the Resurrection Ship, thus infecting the Cylon network.
	**For the Cylons to study the plague they would have become infected themselves, therefore, there was no way they could have tried to find a cure without potentially perishing		**For the Cylons to study the plague they would have become infected themselves, therefore, there was no way they could have tried to find a cure without potentially perishing
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	===Unanswered Questions===		===Unanswered Questions===
	* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?		* Where is Caprica-Six's own internal Baltar in all of this?
	* Of the Cylons, which type tells the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[humanoid Cylon]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it be ~~[[Sharon Agathon]]~~?		* Of the Cylons, which type tells the basestar to self-destruct: The [[Hybrid]] or a [[humanoid Cylon]]? Considering her odd look after the destruction, might it be {{callsign\|Athena}}?
	* When the basestar self-destructs, is it an indicator that the Hybrid on the ship has died, thus no longer able to maintain the integrity of the ship?		* When the basestar self-destructs, is it an indicator that the Hybrid on the ship has died, thus no longer able to maintain the integrity of the ship?
	* If the basestar and the virus do represent a true genocide threat to the Cylons why do they just leave them to slowly expire instead of destroying the ship right away?		* If the basestar and the virus do represent a true genocide threat to the Cylons why do they just leave them to slowly expire instead of destroying the ship right away?

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "''Galactica's''" to "''Galactica''{{'|s}}"

2023-04-03T02:14:35Z

Text replacement - "''Galactica's''" to "''Galactica''{{'|s}}"

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	*None of the four members of the Five who are in the fleet at this time are shown to be exposed to the infected Cylons.		*None of the four members of the Five who are in the fleet at this time are shown to be exposed to the infected Cylons.
	*It seems this virus could also be a fairly reliable (although not conclusive) litmus test for Cylons in the Colonial Fleet.		*It seems this virus could also be a fairly reliable (although not conclusive) litmus test for Cylons in the Colonial Fleet.
	*It seems reasonable to assume that all members of ''Galactica's'' boarding party who boarded the baseship are not Cylons, save Sharon Agathon.		*It seems reasonable to assume that all members of ''Galactica''{{'\|s}} boarding party who boarded the baseship are not Cylons, save Sharon Agathon.
	*Baltar's boarding of the baseship does not discount [[Baltar as Cylon speculation\|Baltar from being a Cylon]], as Baltar was in a self-contained [[flight suit]] the entire time he was on the basestar. Using standard biohazard procedures, he would have remained in the suit which would be disinfected from the outside before taking it off.		*Baltar's boarding of the baseship does not discount [[Baltar as Cylon speculation\|Baltar from being a Cylon]], as Baltar was in a self-contained [[flight suit]] the entire time he was on the basestar. Using standard biohazard procedures, he would have remained in the suit which would be disinfected from the outside before taking it off.
	*The environmental controls seem to be circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] by pulling a single plug (unless this is just the last step in a longer process). One would assume that a warship has cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions.		*The environmental controls seem to be circumvented by [[Karl Agathon]] by pulling a single plug (unless this is just the last step in a longer process). One would assume that a warship has cascading fail safe systems to protect against such catastrophic failures from simple system malfunctions.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Galactica" to "{{RDM|Galactica}}"

2020-09-20T07:14:02Z

Text replacement - "Galactica" to "{{RDM|Galactica}}"

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	== Summary ==		== Summary ==
	=== On ''~~[[Galactica (~~RDM)\|Galactica]]'' ===		=== On ''{{RDM\|Galactica}}'' ===
	*A boarding party comprising of [[Raptor]]s and [[Viper Mark VII\|Vipers]] investigate the derelict [[Basestar (RDM)\|basestar]]. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama\|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon\|Athena]].		*A boarding party comprising of [[Raptor]]s and [[Viper Mark VII\|Vipers]] investigate the derelict [[Basestar (RDM)\|basestar]]. Among the boarding party are [[Lee Adama\|Apollo]] and [[Sharon Agathon\|Athena]].
	*Aboard the derelict, [[Marines]] explore the corridors, finding the [[Humanoid Cylon\|Cylons]] dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but is unsuccessful.		*Aboard the derelict, [[Marines]] explore the corridors, finding the [[Humanoid Cylon\|Cylons]] dead. Athena attempts to access the derelict basestar's [[Hybrid]], but is unsuccessful.

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	*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.		*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.
	*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica-Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.		*In his "projection," his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica-Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.
	*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.		*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.

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	*Helo has been promoted to the rank of captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.		*Helo has been promoted to the rank of captain, as evident in both dialogue and costuming.
	*Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]], however [[w:encephalitis\|encephalitis]] is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is [[wikipedia:Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus\|Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus]].		*Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as [[Lymphocytic encephalitis]], however [[w:encephalitis\|encephalitis]] is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is [[wikipedia:Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus\|Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus]].
	*In [[Podcast:A Measure of Salvation\|his podcast]], Moore notes that this episode shares similarities to the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation\|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode, "[[MemoryAlpha:I, Borg\|I, Borg]]", though he does not mention the episode by name. Moore also noted that this episode was brought up for discussion during the writer's meetings to discuss development of this episode, as "I, Borg" discussed using a lone [[MemoryAlpha:Hugh\|Borg drone]] implanted with a computer virus to infect the [[MemoryAlpha:Borg\|Borg collective]].		*In [[Podcast:A Measure of Salvation\|his podcast]], Moore notes that this episode shares similarities to the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation\|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode, "[[MemoryAlpha:I, Borg\|I, Borg]]," though he does not mention the episode by name. Moore also noted that this episode was brought up for discussion during the writer's meetings to discuss development of this episode, as "I, Borg" discussed using a lone [[MemoryAlpha:Hugh\|Borg drone]] implanted with a computer virus to infect the [[MemoryAlpha:Borg\|Borg collective]].
	*The location in space of the attempted attack on the Cylons is designated "The Region of [[NCD2539]] Above/North."		*The location in space of the attempted attack on the Cylons is designated "The Region of [[NCD2539]] Above/North."
	*The Cylon [[Hybrid]] does not appear in this episode despite actress Tiffany Lyndall-Knight's name appearing in the ending credits.		*The Cylon [[Hybrid]] does not appear in this episode despite actress Tiffany Lyndall-Knight's name appearing in the ending credits.
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	*Adama's reaction to the premature death of the prisoners is yet another example of what are simultaneously his greatest virtues and most glaring flaws – his dedication to those under his command, and his need to keep his conscience clear.		*Adama's reaction to the premature death of the prisoners is yet another example of what are simultaneously his greatest virtues and most glaring flaws – his dedication to those under his command, and his need to keep his conscience clear.
	*In this episode, [[Raptor]]s are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]], "[[The Hand of God (RDM)\|The Hand of God]]"), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[Fragged]]"), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I\|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II\|Part II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.		*In this episode, [[Raptor]]s are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]], "[[The Hand of God (RDM)\|The Hand of God]]"), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]," "[[Fragged]]"), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I\|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II\|Part II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.
	*[[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him "D'Anna", to which she responds. However, this is not the reporter copy that hid in the Fleet. She is the same copy that was on Caprica trying to box Caprica-Six and Boomer before Caprica-Six killed her {{TRS\|Downloaded}}: It is shown that she is the same as the one having dreams on New Caprica, who in turn is identified as the "Downloaded" copy.		*[[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him "D'Anna," to which she responds. However, this is not the reporter copy that hid in the Fleet. She is the same copy that was on Caprica trying to box Caprica-Six and Boomer before Caprica-Six killed her {{TRS\|Downloaded}}: It is shown that she is the same as the one having dreams on New Caprica, who in turn is identified as the "Downloaded" copy.
	*[[Gaeta]] is surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, even though he was there when Number Three offered Baltar evacuation from New Caprica. Therefore, Gaeta likely assumed that Baltar has not survived as Baltar went off to forcefully prevent the nuclear detonation on New Caprica, thus betraying the Cylons. Therefore Baltar would have little chance of survival at the hands of the Cylons, let alone being their "guest". It should be noted that extenuating circumstances, such as Baltar's rescue of Hera and his aid in helping the Cylons find the road to Earth are the main reasons why the Cylons let him exist on the basestar.		*[[Gaeta]] is surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, even though he was there when Number Three offered Baltar evacuation from New Caprica. Therefore, Gaeta likely assumed that Baltar has not survived as Baltar went off to forcefully prevent the nuclear detonation on New Caprica, thus betraying the Cylons. Therefore Baltar would have little chance of survival at the hands of the Cylons, let alone being their "guest". It should be noted that extenuating circumstances, such as Baltar's rescue of Hera and his aid in helping the Cylons find the road to Earth are the main reasons why the Cylons let him exist on the basestar.
	*In a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#A Measure of Salvation\|deleted scene]] Apollo says they need everyone in the air for this mission, including those who would normally not have flight status. As he says this he (and the camera) looks right at Starbuck indicating he was talking about her. This clarifies that Thrace is still officially grounded after the events of "[[Torn]]".		*In a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#A Measure of Salvation\|deleted scene]] Apollo says they need everyone in the air for this mission, including those who would normally not have flight status. As he says this he (and the camera) looks right at Starbuck indicating he was talking about her. This clarifies that Thrace is still officially grounded after the events of "[[Torn]]".

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	*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.		*Aboard the bastestar, Baltar is being interrogated by Three and Caprica-Six, knowing about the beacon. Three and Caprica-Six imply that Baltar is connected to the virus and to Galactica. Baltar attempts to reconcile, only to be confronted by Centurions.
	*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.		*In his "projection", his mental Six tells him to relax. Meanwhile, his body is being subjected to torture; Caprica-Six is visibly disturbed by the torture and backs away.
	*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.		*Baltar's torture continues as Three continues to interrogate Baltar regarding his supposed involvement with the virus. In his mind, he attemps to avert the pain by making love to his mental Six. Despite extreme pain, Baltar endures.

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	*Adama's reaction to the premature death of the prisoners is yet another example of what are simultaneously his greatest virtues and most glaring flaws – his dedication to those under his command, and his need to keep his conscience clear.		*Adama's reaction to the premature death of the prisoners is yet another example of what are simultaneously his greatest virtues and most glaring flaws – his dedication to those under his command, and his need to keep his conscience clear.
	*In this episode, [[Raptor]]s are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]], "[[The Hand of God (RDM)\|The Hand of God]]"), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[Fragged]]"), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I\|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II\|Part II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.		*In this episode, [[Raptor]]s are shown loaded to the teeth with weapons systems. In the past ([[TRS]]: [[Miniseries]], "[[The Hand of God (RDM)\|The Hand of God]]"), Raptors have rarely been depicted in actual combat, preferring instead to hang back while coordinating battlefield logistics. They have been shown armed in a few prior episodes ("[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", "[[Fragged]]"), but this is by far their most prominent combat role to date. The Raptors are using the external missile pods and cannons introduced in "Exodus, Part [[Exodus, Part I\|I]] & [[Exodus, Part II\|Part II]]" and engage in the same maneuver used to launch the decoy drones during the Battle of New Caprica.
	*[[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him "D'Anna", to which she responds. However, this is not the reporter copy that hid in the Fleet. She is the same copy that was on Caprica trying to box Caprica Six and Boomer before Caprica Six killed her {{TRS\|Downloaded}}: It is shown that she is the same as the one having dreams on New Caprica, who in turn is identified as the "Downloaded" copy.		*[[Gaius Baltar\|Baltar]] calls the [[Number Three]] torturing him "D'Anna", to which she responds. However, this is not the reporter copy that hid in the Fleet. She is the same copy that was on Caprica trying to box Caprica-Six and Boomer before Caprica-Six killed her {{TRS\|Downloaded}}: It is shown that she is the same as the one having dreams on New Caprica, who in turn is identified as the "Downloaded" copy.
	*[[Gaeta]] is surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, even though he was there when Number Three offered Baltar evacuation from New Caprica. Therefore, Gaeta likely assumed that Baltar has not survived as Baltar went off to forcefully prevent the nuclear detonation on New Caprica, thus betraying the Cylons. Therefore Baltar would have little chance of survival at the hands of the Cylons, let alone being their "guest". It should be noted that extenuating circumstances, such as Baltar's rescue of Hera and his aid in helping the Cylons find the road to Earth are the main reasons why the Cylons let him exist on the basestar.		*[[Gaeta]] is surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, even though he was there when Number Three offered Baltar evacuation from New Caprica. Therefore, Gaeta likely assumed that Baltar has not survived as Baltar went off to forcefully prevent the nuclear detonation on New Caprica, thus betraying the Cylons. Therefore Baltar would have little chance of survival at the hands of the Cylons, let alone being their "guest". It should be noted that extenuating circumstances, such as Baltar's rescue of Hera and his aid in helping the Cylons find the road to Earth are the main reasons why the Cylons let him exist on the basestar.
	*In a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#A Measure of Salvation\|deleted scene]] Apollo says they need everyone in the air for this mission, including those who would normally not have flight status. As he says this he (and the camera) looks right at Starbuck indicating he was talking about her. This clarifies that Thrace is still officially grounded after the events of "[[Torn]]".		*In a [[List of Deleted Scenes - Season 3 (RDM)#A Measure of Salvation\|deleted scene]] Apollo says they need everyone in the air for this mission, including those who would normally not have flight status. As he says this he (and the camera) looks right at Starbuck indicating he was talking about her. This clarifies that Thrace is still officially grounded after the events of "[[Torn]]".
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	*Is Karl Agathon's act of sabotage and his view that the Cylons did attempt to co-exist with humans the beginnings of a more conscious act of betrayal to the Fleet, thus following a similar pattern as how Sharon Agathon eventually switches sides. Would Karl thus become like Sharon and eventually identify himself with the Cylons? ([[Rapture\|Answer]])		*Is Karl Agathon's act of sabotage and his view that the Cylons did attempt to co-exist with humans the beginnings of a more conscious act of betrayal to the Fleet, thus following a similar pattern as how Sharon Agathon eventually switches sides. Would Karl thus become like Sharon and eventually identify himself with the Cylons? ([[Rapture\|Answer]])
	*Why does Baltar take photos of the suspicious object and claim to have seen nothing suspicious? Doesn't he realize the Cylons would review the documentation he sends and immediately discover his lie?		*Why does Baltar take photos of the suspicious object and claim to have seen nothing suspicious? Doesn't he realize the Cylons would review the documentation he sends and immediately discover his lie?
	**Baltar was unaware he had taken a photo of it; he never intentionally photographed the beacon while on the baseship in [[Torn]], and [[Caprica Six]] had to zoom in on an edge of one of his pictures in order to find the image of the beacon.		**Baltar was unaware he had taken a photo of it; he never intentionally photographed the beacon while on the baseship in [[Torn]], and [[Caprica-Six]] had to zoom in on an edge of one of his pictures in order to find the image of the beacon.

	===Unanswered Questions===		===Unanswered Questions===