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12 Cylon or 12 Humano-Cylon models?
At the end of the miniseries, Adama discovers a note in his quarters. The note clearly reads, "THERE ARE ONLY 12 CYLON MODELS". I believe this settles the issue. Philwelch 01:34, 2 Apr 2005 (EST)
Are we debating where the note in Adama's quarters, and 6's statements to Baltar about there being "12 Cylon Models" refers to 12 Humano-Cylon body types, in which case we have confirmed sightings of 4.
Grimlock 21:21, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)
PS How do I include a link, as I've done here, but with different text? And while I'm at it, what is a good way to find the link I'm looking for?
And I think it'd be more than ten; there are:
So, going by the reasoning that there are twelve total models of Cylons including all the different Humanoid variants, that means there's a grand total of one more Cylon to be revealed. And since in press releases RDM has said that Season Two will introduce "one or two new Cylons" that's clearly not true. Kuralyov 23:45, 19 Jun 2005 (EDT)
Unless those sneaky Cylons lied about the 12 thing just to mess with the cast's head... Random thought: Six specified that she is Model 6 of 12. I know "model" heavily implies something physical, but have any of they Cylons specified that "model" refers to their bodies?
I guess where I'm going with this is that could "model" by like a "personality model?" That said, certain personality models might have an affinity for a certain body type. Like Conoy #2 might have woken up as a Cylon Warrior or as a #6 because another Conoy body wasn't available at the time.
Or not. I'm a little zorched Grimlock 06:56, 26 Jun 2005 (EDT)
I've read Lucy Lawless will be one of the 2 revealed this season, so that'd be 5. I've heard discussions of Col Tigh's wife, Lt Gaeta, Lee Adama, and I had suspicions about Petty Officer Dualla reinforced when the Cylons boarded the ship but she was found alone and alive surrounded by dead crewmembers. I also had suspicions of Commander Adama just because he acts so strangely. For example, he received that clue about only 12 models, but never mentioned it to anyone, and continued on like it was nothing. Maybe Boomer tried to kill him because she knows he's a Cylon and the human emotion part of her overcame her cylon side for a split second... Anyways, does anyone have any serious intel about this? Does another number 6 called Gina (albeit brunette, but same model) count as one of the two new cylons revealed this season?
One more thing. One common thread with the female cylons is that they REALLY enjoy frakking (Sharon with Helo, Sharon with the chief, 6 with Baltar, 6 flirting with Adama), so are Starbuck, Dualla, and Ellen Tigh just healthy horny women, or are they cylons too?EagleDriver 2:23, 30 Jul 2005 (CDT)
Same, yet Different?
Taking off from the above section, along with the comments mentioned on the front article from RDM, I'm curious as to everyone's take on this idea:
If the "12 Models" are to be reflections of 12 different archetypes of humanity, what do the Cylon models represent?
My current theory on this would be each model represents a facet of human society, being personified through a physical form. Allow me to elaborate:
Keep in mind that there are still two other Humano-Cylons in the Fleet, as well as four that have yet to be seen. As the series progresses, I hope to be able to add to this list, and get a better picture of this ideal.
This information current as of 1/7/06. --Sgtpayne
There are 8 Cylons left in the Fleet, not 2. We only know one of them: D'anna Biers. And the humans don't know she's a Cylon.
I really don't think your breakdown works at all; for starters I don't think that they're "archetypes" are one-word concepts necessarily, for example I don't think Doral represents history, he more represents "the type of officeworker person that values order and coordination" or sometihng. Most importantly, Leoben represents "Faith". Actually, we've heard rumors that there is one model that is the dedicated Priest/Friar/religious model, so in that case Leoben would be deception. Still, Number Six represents Lust more than Faith. And I don't know if we could pin down Sharon as representing "Love" necessarily; she represents a lot of things. -->At any rate, I don't think we'll really be able to sit down and assign these things until AFTER all 12 (original? at this point) models are revealed (I feel/hope that they Cylons will eventually (season 6-7?) break their own religious rules or whatever limiting them to 12, in their desire to destroy the humans at any cost). --Ricimer 19:10, 8 January 2006 (EST)
Six could also be Passion, given her capacity to anger and violence as well as sensuality. Philwelch 16:15, 9 January 2006 (EST)
Origin of the Term "Humano-Cylon"?
We use the term here often, of course, to describe these mechanisms. However, I've never heard it used in any dialogue or in any official information from Ron D. Moore or other creative staff. Can someone note a source for this term, or was it originally created here to give a suitable name for our encyclopaedia? I'm not petitioning to change the name--far from it. But if this name is contrived for our local use, we should make a note of it on the page. Spencerian 10:07, 18 Aug 2005 (EDT)
Hybrids/Sharon's daughter article?
I realize that Sharon's daughter is only a 7-8 weel old fetus at this point, but should we make a character article for her now? (Hey, against my initial protests about spoilers Admiral Nelena Cain got an article, and she hasn't even appeared yet).
Separate from that article, should we have a new article or subsection on the hybrids? What do we even *call* the bybrids? Just "the Hybrids?" or what? I got the impression that the Human-Cylon Hybrids were going to be as different from the humanoid-Cylons as the humanoid-Cylons were from Humans (as well as the older Cylons). ***Is it "Human-Cylon Hybrid" or "Cylon-Human Hybrid" for that matter? Should we use a dash or a foward slash, i.e. "Human-Cylon Hybrid" or "Human/Cylon Hybrid"?
Should they get a subsection on the humanoid Cylon article, or a stub there and an entirely new page for themselves? I think if they are radically different from both Humans and Cylons (as I said) that would seem justified.
How are they different? How are they the "Children of God"? What makes them different from Humans if humanoid Cylons are already almost indestinguishable from Humans? How are they still Cylons? Heck, we're still not sure what makes a humanoid Cylon a Cylon ("Silica Relays" remains ill-defined).
Back to Sharon's daughter (she said in "Home, Part II" that it would be a girl), I wonder what her name will be, etc. ---Ricimer, 11 Sept, 2005
Order of Models
Shouldn't Number 6 be the sixth model listed? Quantum jim 10:41, 23 September 2005 (EDT)
Re: Adama and Gaeta being ruled out as "Humano-Cylons"
Note that both William Adama and Felix Gaeta were unaffected by the storms of Ragnar Anchorage (Mini-Series). This makes it very unlikely that either is a Humano-Cylon. The only ways around this are if the Cylons developed a way of shielding some models from the storms, or replaced the real Adama or Gaeta with a Cylon copy after Galactica visited Ragnar. This also rules out most of the crew of Galactica--it seems reasonable that all future Humano-Cylons to be revealed will be newly arrived or from the civilian ships accompanying Galactica. -- Added by Vasi.
" RDM, in an inteview with Star Trek: Deep Space Nine veteran Chase Masterson on "The Chase Show" on an audio webcast on TheFandom.com on October 24, 2005, puts Ellen's possibility as a Cylon to rest:
Chase: ...I was actually wondering if she was a Cylon. Ron: Yeah, I played with that motion myself for awhile, then I thought--I figured it was a big enough coincidence that she was alive. That's like the one 'bye' I was willing to go. OK, Colonel Tigh's wife, out of all the billions that are dead, we've going to say that she is found alive. And I thought it was pushing it one step too far to say, 'and she's a Cylon.' Chase: Yeah, I hear ya. No, I completely hear ya... Unless TPTB change their minds, the likelihood of Ellen being a Cylon is now officially next to moot. "
--> No, I believe that what he meant by the above statement was that saying that she was a Cylon in the same episode she first appeared in would be pushing it, but that he ENTIRELY left the door open on that one. Maybe they're reveal it later. It really looks like he meant "saying she's a Cylon in that episode" and I do not feel that the subject of Ellen Tigh was really in any way expanded by this episode; it's just statements which he has actually made before. Therefore, I have moved this here. --Ricimer 19:12, 12 November 2005 (EST)
Cylon Series Revision
Notice of intent: I will be merging substantial content from here into the new article Cylon Models, and splitting off the speculative portions into a new article. --Peter Farago 14:32, 30 December 2005 (EST)
I just removed anti-atheist comments added to the cavil entry. just because he's an atheist doesn't make him automatically immoral and worse than his religious counterparts. Nor has cavil shown anything that one couldn't find in his religious counterparts, he's just obtuse. Azselendor 13:49, 10 January 2007 (CST)
Did Boomer really know the count of infiltrators?
She was very convincing when she blurted out the number, but hey, couldn't she have just made up a number to satisfy Baltar?
List of people who are ruled out as Cylons?
Should we make a separate subheading of people who are definately not Cylons?---> Adama (RDM stated that he wasn't, plus people have known him for years and Cylons aren't copies of pre-existing people, and he's a veteran of the first Cylon War), Tigh (Adama has known him for 20 years, and he was a veteran of the first Cylon War), Roslin (I think it was just implied that Cylons can't get cancer), Starbuck (they tried to farm her to create a hybrid, and they can only make cylon hybrids with humans), Helo (has fathered a child with a known Cylon, plus Cylons talking amongst themselves (case in point, "Litmus") have stated that he is a human. --Ricimer 15:40, 23 January 2006 (EST)