Talk:Fragged

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Contents 1 Information for episodes (used prior to airing on 29 July 2005) 2 "Apollo can fly a Raptor" comment 3 Disassembling what? Large unidentified Cylon craft 4 Deleting Justified Interpretation is Vandalism 5 Delusion or delirium? 6 Screencap for Episode Data Template

Information for episodes (used prior to airing on 29 July 2005)

This might be interesting to look at (involves Fragged, Resistance, Farm), but I'm too tired to write up any of this:

http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=887342&an=0&page=0&gonew=1#UNREAD

Kuralyov 17:01, 9 May 2005 (EDT)

"Apollo can fly a Raptor" comment

Quote: "Apollo can fly a Raptor"

Look again. He's sitting on the right, while it's well-established (see eg. Kobol's last gleaming pt. 1) that the pilot's seat is on the left (both as seen from the front).

WouterCoene 04:07, 31 Jul 2005 (CEST)

WouterCoene is correct. Lee is sitting in the passenger seat, which is the seat on the port side of the Raptor. (Or the "front", were we to look into the Raptor from its front.) -- Joe Beaudoin 22:57, 30 Jul 2005 (EDT)

But look to the mini-series when Sharon leave Helo! Sharon seats on that right seat where Lee is sitting in this episode. Well, then, if pilot seat is the Left one (when looking from the front), how could Sharon leave Caprica in mini-series? or the young boy was flying that raptor? :-) -- Lordhp <lordhp (at) centrum (dot) cz> - 1.7.2005 18:20 GMT+1

Actually, having reviewed the footage from both the mini and Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I, the cockpit controls on the port side of the raptor are also pilot controls. (See the part where Crashdown tries to contorl the descent of Raptor 1 in the fourth or fifth act.) However, I believe that the primary controls seem to be seated at the starboard side. (as evidenced throughout the season) -- Joe Beaudoin 16:00, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

The raptor layout seems similar to that of many modern helicopters and commercial airliners. There are flight controls on both sides of the cockpit. In the mini-series and in most subsequent episodes, the pilot of the raptor is seen on the, from the pilots view, right side of the cockpit. A notable exception to this was from the mini-series. Boomer is seen leaving Caprica piloting from the left side. This seems to be for dramatic license. Boomer's position in the cockpit was necessary to allow her parting look with Helo. These controls were used again in Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I when the pilot of Raptor Baltar and Tyrol were riding in was killed. Crashdown took control of the ship and piloted it from the left seat.

As for the specifics of whether or not Lee Adama is capable of piloting a raptor, I suspect it's likely even though it has not yet been shown. Stepping away from the 'mechanics' of flying, it is likely out of convenience that we'll see pilots like Starbuck, Apollo and possibly even Helo pilot a Raptor quite simply because of the precedent from the original series. Apollo and his fellows were seen piloting shuttles on numerous occasions with the The Young Lords being an example. Perhaps a more relevant example would be Commander Adama's piloting of a Raptor in Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down when he retrieves Ellen Tigh and brings her to the Galactica. There has been very little portrayed regarding Adama's duties prior to commanding the Galactica so its possible he learned another way. We do know that he was a Viper pilot and would've received similar training to Apollo's. It seems likely that this training would allow for the piloting of a raptor.--Feldspar 18:41, 3 Aug 2005 (EDT)

FWIW, I imagine that piloting a Raptor on limousine duty is a very different task than taking one into combat. --Peter Farago 01:31, 4 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Well, Resistance settles it. --Peter Farago 01:59, 6 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Disassembling what? Large unidentified Cylon craft

After holding a funeral for Socinus and Tarn, the ground crew stranded on Kobol discover that the Cylons are cannibalizing the parts of the downed Raptor craft, and are using the parts to build an anti-aircraft battery.

That is definitely not a Raptor. You can see on the front right portion a Cylon brain cockpit, in a similar position where it would be on a Heavy Raider. However I don't remember a Heavy Raider having those pointy pylon things up front. From the relative size of the Centurion walking next to it, this ship could be even bigger than a Heavy Raider. My guess it is those large unidentified Cylon craft seen outside the Basestar in KLG2 when Boomer's Raptor arrives. If you watch it frame by frame, you can vaguely see those pointy protrusions up front. Except for those two pointy things it kind of looks like a flying Washington Monument, with two blue flame engines burning in the back. --Laven 02:12, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Then just edit the line. Seriously, you didn't need to make a big fuss over it. It's just a show.--Crazyrabbits 03:17, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

The draidus dish was salvaged from the nose cone of the Rapror, Tyrol speculated as much when he saw the dish. The ship shown need not be the raptor. Clearly the cylons had to get to the planet somehow after the base start exploded (I doubt even a Centurion is resilient enough to do a re-entry). If their ship was only for transport (a light raider or cargo ship) and didn't have ship to ship missiles canabalizing the raptor makes sense. Remember, the raptor also crashed in a relatively open area and the missile stands were in the forest, so the Centurions landed at the downed raptor, riped off the interesting stuff, flew into the forest, and begam assembly. --Shemnon 16:01, 1 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I highly doubt missiles containing volatile fuel and an explosive warhead would survive the Raptor fire and explosion that we saw during KLG2. I give reasons in Unidentified Cylon Craft why the ship seen on the planet is likely to be the one dismantled, and different from a Heavy Raider. We may never know the "truth" unless RDM says something in the forthcoming podcast or season 2 DVD. =( --Laven 20:25, 4 Aug 2005 (EDT)

"It looks like a DRADIS dish... at least the Cylon version of a Dradis dish. It was probably salvaged from the nosecone of the ship." said Tyrol as they look at the dish during [[Fragged]. --Laven 21:34, 5 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Deleting Justified Interpretation is Vandalism

User at 24.47.156.127 needs to get a grip on their editing. You do not own the sole opinion or interpretation on why Roslin experiences the ringing sensation. I will add my edit back to the page. BSG Wiki allows source-derived POV because of what it is; we are not Wikipedia. If you don't believe what is added there, add a counterpoint, but don't delete my comments again. Spencerian 12:44, 3 Aug 2005 (EDT)

While I won't go as so far as to say this is an act of vandalism, I concur with this. Interpretations are permitted within reasonable bounds and fans are encouraged to analyze and come to their own assumptions. All POVs, within reason, are encouraged, as so long as each POV is treated equally and fairly. Now, as for the vandalism piece, if this happens multiple times without justification, then it is considered vandalism and will be treated with a ban of 24 to 48 hours. (All depending on the evidence at hand, of course.) I have yet to instate a rule similar to Wikipedia's 3 Revert Rule, but I will institue one should it become necessary -- I just hope it never, ever comes to that. Thanks for your attention. So say we all. -- Joe Beaudoin 16:43, 3 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Delusion or delirium?

I notice Roslin is said to have delusion and/or delirium. I haven't seen the episode, but I wonder whether she actually experienced both states. For comparison, delusion refers to a false belief [1] (often stubbornly held despite evidence to the contrary, e.g. "Earth is flat"), whereas delirium is a disturbance in consciousness, which tends to fluctuate over time [2]. The latter is often seen among elderly hospitalized patients. An illusion, on the other hand, is a misinterpretation of actual sensory inputs. 67.80.186.103 20:47, 3 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Based on your comments, I'm inclined to conclude Roslin was delirious due to the medication and withdrawal. It seems Chamalla has a heightened and several unknown effects in use or withdrawal. Spencerian 12:39, 4 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Screencap for Episode Data Template

It appears we need a screen capture for this page. I would nominate a good shot of Crashdown pointing a gun at Cally (something along these lines), but there may better shots to be had. I was just going off of memory. --Steelviper 16:45, 9 January 2006 (EST)