Talk:Fall of the Scorpion Fleet Shipyards/Archive 1

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Casualties[edit]

Not sure how many of you saw the DVD screener already. What's clear is that we probably have to create a separate battle page for the attack on the com relay.

Somewhat unexpectedly, however, "Razor" puts the Cylon boarding action not at the attack on the shipyards, but the com relay attack soon after. Nothing wrong with that, but it creates some weirdness with the casualty numbers. In "Pegasus" Cain says that there were over 700 casualties until she made it to CIC. Then in the extended version, she specifically says that Gina allowed a boarding party on board which caused 800 casualties. "Razor" confirms this number, but as said, places the boarding action later. This would mean that about 1500 people were lost in total, which strikes me as a bit high. That's half the ship's crew! If it weren't for the more explicit line from the extended version (though I'll have to watch it again to see what she says exactly), one could say that the 800 includes the 700 lost earlier, but with it that doesn't work so well. --Serenity 17:41, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

I haven't seen it yet, to be honest, but it wouldn't surprise me if they fudged the numbers a bit. They did it before with the Astral Queen numbers. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New 19:37, 3 November 2007 (CDT)
If the show isn't fudging the numbers, Cain was, giving that she later acquired a few new conscripts. --Spencerian 00:40, 4 November 2007 (CDT)
The error isn't really in "Razor" as such, since Shaw just says "final casualty numbers", which can mean the total number since the Cylon attack. In the extended cut of "Pegasus", Cain says "it killed over 800 members of my crew". Maybe we could interpret that as including both battles, since it's also implied that Gina tampered a bit with the computer systems. Assuming that Pegasus picked up a few hundred conscripts to make for the numbers isn't really realistic. --Serenity 07:09, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Battlestar numbers[edit]

While "Razor" only seems to show 2 battlestars, Cain mentions two as destroyed in "Pegasus". That's why it said 3/2. Maybe the vessel above Pegasus counts as battlestar, in which case that would be a new class. In any case you forgot to update the battle box as well. --Serenity 11:28, 7 November 2007 (CST)

In "Razor" we see Pegasus, one Galactica type, two Valkyrie types with rollbar attachments(possibly part of the dockyard rig?) and two of the new class, which appears to be based on one of the Galactica concept designs. It seems to contradict what Cain originally said since we know that the Valkyrie was a battlestar, but perhaps the ships of that type at the dockyard were variants, making them destroyers or frigates or somesuch. --Pearse 12:04, 7 November 2007 (CST)